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Existence is necessarily All-existing, Almighty, Alknowing, Infinite and eternal

Started by nimnimak_11, September 20, 2018, 03:00:15 PM

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nimnimak_11

Peace all

This is from some blog posts that I wrote here if anyone's interested:
https://philosophyneedsgod.wordpress.com

Consider the following challenge: Can you think of something that has meaning but can never exist?

The argument in a nutshell, is as follows:
(1) There is existence/x exists
(2) Everything that exists, does so only in existence
(3) We are fully dependent on existence
(4) All minds are limited to what existence allows
(5) Anything that is either rational/comprehensible/understandable, necessarily belongs to existence (existence accommodates it; as in existence has the potential to create it or produce it. This is what makes it a hypothetical possibility and this is why it has meaning. So a unicorn is a potential thing that Existence can produce) On the other hand, anything that is either irrational or incomprehensible is necessarily non-existent (existence does not accommodate it. For example, no square-circles can ever exist, such a phrase is absurd and makes no sense)
(6) ?infinity?, ?eternal?, ?almighty? and ?all knowing?, are all rational concepts that we have an understanding of. So Existence must accommodate these concepts. To deny this is to commit to the paradox of something coming from nothing. Therefore, either:
6a) The potential is there for something to become almighty, or 6b) Something has always been almighty and will always be almighty.

Only that which is all-existing can be almighty and all-knowing because you can't be almighty if you don't have reach or access to all of Existence. Similarly, you can't be all-knowing if you don't have reach or access to all of existence. So:

7) Only Existence can be almighty and all knowing

Existence has always existed and will always exist and nothing can ever take its place or substitute it in any way. Existent beings cannot expand to become that which is all-existing/omnipresent/Existence. Given 7, Nothing can ever become almighty from a non-almighty state. So 6a is impossible/absurd. But the concept of almighty has meaning and we have an understanding of it. It is not like the concept of a square-circle which is clearly an absurdity/contradiction/paradox/non-existence/nothingness.

THEREFORE, Existence must accommodate the concept. So given that it can't be 6a, this leaves 6b. So 6b is necessarily true.

In language and reason, everything belongs to the following 4 categories:

Necessary (Existence, omnipotence, omniscience etc.)

Potential (Anything that can be brought about, so all hypothetical universes, creatures and beings that don't contain any absurdity, contradictions or paradoxes in their definition. An infinite Existence can accommodate all hypothetical possibilities)

Absurd (Absurd is anything that is necessarily non-existent or nothingness; something that have never existed and will never exist, like a square-circle or a married-bachelor)

Unknown (What we can't classify as either of the aforementioned three goes here. For example a 10th sense. There may be beings that have a 10th sense in existence or which would mean existence accommodates it; or, there the phrase 10th sense may be an absurdity like a married-bachelor. Essentially it's unknown to us and so irrelevant in our application of language and reason to it. As in we can't say its necessary, potential or absurd)

Again, can you think of something that has meaning but can never exist?

Jafar

Quote from: nimnimak_11 on September 20, 2018, 03:00:15 PM
Again, can you think of something that has meaning but can never exist?

Square root of any negative number.

You need to furtherly define what is "Exist".

good logic

Peace Jafar.
When we say that the square root of a negative number "doesn't exist", we mean that there is no real number solution.
Like there are other problems in Maths with no solutions.
But in Maths there is such a thing as a square root of a negative number. If it did not exist it would not be there at all.
GOD bless you.
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good logic

Also keep in mind brother Jafar that there are things that we have not discovered yet.
Does this mean they do not exist?
Or does it mean they have always existed but we did not come across them?
Something that does not exist will never be able to exist. Or is this not the case?
GOD bless you.
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Jafar

That is why please furtherly define what is "exist".

The original question was:
Q: can you think of something that has meaning but can never exist?
A: Square root of any negative number.

Example:
Square root of -1.
Q: Does it has meaning? Yes
Q: Does it exist?
- as a notation: Yes
- as a concept: Yes,
- In mathematician imaginary: Yes
- In reality: No square root of -1 doesn't exist. (Absurd)

Q: What happened if we put square root of -1 into computer?
The computer will return an error or if the programmer of the computer didn't catch the error properly the computer will crash / hang.


good logic

And that is why I said it does exist;
It has a meaning---- i x i = -1
It is a maths concept. We can clearly see it .

But you are right about defining "exist"
Some will no doubt have a go here.

For me, many things exist, but we cannot sense them and our knowledge is limited.
"Exist" means being where all the existing things are. Even if we cannot perceive them.
"Not exist" means never existed and nowhere to be ever seen/ found .
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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huruf

It would be interesting to know
What is nonexistence? Is it conceivable?

Salaam

nimnimak_11

Quote from: Jafar on September 21, 2018, 01:19:51 AM
Square root of any negative number.

You need to furtherly define what is "Exist".

Something that has reality. Any kind of reality. If it has any kind of reality, then it's in existence. I'm not good at Maths but -1 has meaning and I can see how it applies to everyday things that we measure. The square root of 4 I understand, but the square root of -1 I don't understand. So long as it's not absurd like a married-bachelor or a square-circle, or a bendy straight line, then it's something that existence accommodates.

To further clarify on exist, I essentially mean it plays a role in existence. So with like maths and measurements, they play a role. For example we can all conceive of Superman lifting a 25,000kg truck. But we can't coherently conceive Nelson Mandela doing the same. Because Nelson Mandela doesn't have the sufficient force to carry out the act whereas Superman does. The maths and the science all work fine with regards to Superman lifting a 25,000kg truck whilst there are scientific and mathematical absurdities with regards to Nelson Mandela doing the same thing.

nimnimak_11

Quote from: huruf on September 21, 2018, 10:00:42 AM
It would be interesting to know
What is nonexistence? Is it conceivable?

Salaam

Non-existence is absurd. It is nothingness. It is not conceivable. Can you rationally negate existence?

Jafar

Quote from: huruf on September 21, 2018, 10:00:42 AM
It would be interesting to know
What is nonexistence? Is it conceivable?

Salaam

Many centuries ago, from Indus valley civilization, we have learned that "Non Existence" exist.
We have a symbol for it: NULL
The same civilization which teaches us another concept: Infinity, symbol: ∞

It might be 'undecipherable' and 'unprocessable' but it exist.
The same as 'imaginary' number such as square root of negative numbers, NULL is the majority of the root cause on why your computer / laptop / phone crashes or hang.
Which can act as an 'evidence' for it's existence and also it's characteristic of unprocessable or unmutability.

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To further clarify on exist, I essentially mean it plays a role in existence. So with like maths and measurements, they play a role. For example we can all conceive of Superman lifting a 25,000kg truck. But we can't coherently conceive Nelson Mandela doing the same. Because Nelson Mandela doesn't have the sufficient force to carry out the act whereas Superman does. The maths and the science all work fine with regards to Superman lifting a 25,000kg truck whilst there are scientific and mathematical absurdities with regards to Nelson Mandela doing the same thing.

Then you need to define the "context" for the "existence" to make it clear.
Within the context of "this universe", superman only exist in fantasy or imaginary character.
It doesn't really exist in "this universe" as a 'real' living and breathing (super) human.

The same as Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy or the deities that idol represent.

If then we put "Nelson Mandela" as imaginary character.
And we put a background (mythological) story that Nelson Mandela was biten by a mutated mosquito when he was a child, which resulted in super human strength. Then the (yet another mythological) story that Nelson Mandela lifted 25,000 Kg truck or even spitted the moon in half will become conceivable, within the context of human imagination.