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Re: Who is Isra'iil إِسْرَائِيلَ
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2018, 07:06:43 AM »
I agree with Pazuzu's work on the matters he dealt with, except for the flat earth, that for me is not in question.

But I do not see why it has to be that saga of prophets. Of course youd do not know the 99,99% nobody does, in particular because if has been hidden, for ancient people since a long time ago.

And it dpeends on hat you call prophets or warners or what you do not.

Nor are youg iving any explanation for the saga. You talk about priests and I dop not kno whether hat you intend is to say that the prophets are sent to undo the priesthood or what.

For me 'israa'iil doe snot need a lot of explanation, the words say it all. As to banu 'israa'iil those are the successors of the 'israa'iil spirituality, many a time corrupting or undoing it, which is why they get again warners against that. Whether the corruption consists in establishing a vested interest priesthood or not, is a detail. That may be a kid of corruption not necessarily the only one. The lust for power may be another.

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Re: Who is Isra'iil إِسْرَائِيلَ
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2018, 02:58:19 AM »
Peace noshirk.
there are plenty of theories, history for example:

The Bene Israel, formerly known in India as the "Shanivar Teli" caste and later as the "Native Jew Caste", are a historic community of Jews in India. It has been suggested that it is made up of descendants of one of the disputed Lost Tribes and ancestors who had settled there centuries ago. In the 19th century, after the people were taught about normative Judaism, they tended to migrate from villages in the Konkan area to the nearby cities, primarily Mumbai, but also to Pune, Ahmedabad, and Kolkata, India; and Karachi, in today's Pakistan. Many gained positions with the British colonial authority of the period.
Or:
https://www.benisrael.org/
Or:
Some verses of Quran use the word یهود (Jews), while other use بنی اسرائیل (Children of Israeel). Apparently they seem to be pointing to the same group of people. But God does not do say anything without a purpose and indeed they should be some difference.
So what are the differences between these two group of people?
There are many verses that use both the terms. And they can be found in Qoran.
etc....
For me. like sister huruf I take what Qoran says.
But the main task from Qoran from what I can make out is to lead my life according to the instruction of Qoran. To do my best to follow the best advice from Qoran.
Things like who are beni Israeel? who has done what?...Are not my priority although I do not mind others searching and looking. I read with an open mind
I was quoting verses from Qoran, others can make of them what they want.
Thank you for your posts.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salaam
There is many people around the indian ocean who claims to descent of "israel" or yehud.
there is of course the "yemenites jews", the indian jews, the ethiopian jews and other in black africa (south africa, zimbabwe, tanazania). Seems that DNA links them to Yemenite people.

And it is difficult to find traces of Jews before Cyrus the great. Greeks for example never spoke about them.

this is a clear indication that "the tribe" is originated somewhere in Yemen and not somewhere in palestine.

The funny thing is that like "Israel" who became a tribe, Yahood also became a tribe based on genealogy and not on faith.
Same people who rewrote torah to make their "Israel" their ancestor rewrote it to make Yehuda theit ancestor.
Yehuda is said to be a son son of Israel/Jacob. In bible it was the was who wanted to sell Yusuf for some coins. And if course, the funny parabolists evanglists choosed that name for the guy who sold Jesus to romans for some coins. Funny evangelist reminded allegorically that father of Jesus if "Joseph" while rabbis until now are saying that their Messiah should be a descent of  Juda.

Brother ayman brought a theory that Jinn is our "spiritual/imagination" side. JINN is a kind of zawj of INS. This couple is very knows in all religions (execept in "islam") as the couple spirit/flesh. Israel, his son Yehuada and their filiation represents a "flesh" conception of the religion. It is totally opposed to the spiritual conception of "Jesus" . It worth read the bible to see the opposition between old and new testament. Old testament  is racist and flesh based religion in wich Yahveh is just the tribal god of Israel tribe. The new testament is something where god is god of all humans.


Actually, people originated from east europe claims (an believe) to be descent of Israel. They are occupying a land they have named Israel. And every town in Palestine have been renamed with a name from Torah. "Israel" is a specialist in rewriting history as they want, claiming that the aim is "faith", to obtain advantages in this live for their flesh. That is priesthood whose work is to guide from light to darkness.

There is understandings  of Quran that help to understand what happen now. I think is not by chance and that Allah wanted so.
Why Israel name is so high now ? Why there is so lies around the name of Israel ?

Israel is great  and very difficult subject where we have to mix many sources of knowledge.
it is not "all in the name" like huruf said. It is not so simple.

Peace
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Re: Who is Isra'iil إِسْرَائِيلَ
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2018, 03:19:48 AM »
Peace noshirk.
Of course history is not simple to unravel.
I keep saying this over and over again.
Let me give you a clear example of today:

The western media is making a new history by deceiving folks and feeding them information/news in an edited way following a leaders/system agenda.(I live in the west so I am commenting on the west. I am also assuming other media do the same).
The west media ,in the past few days or before that has not even mentioned the bombing of Syria by Israel. Why?
I leave you and the readers to find the answers ! I believe public support will diminish and the general public will start asking questions of !why are you supporting tyranny and injustice?"
The west media is pre-empting /preparing to get public support for attacking Syria again ,so it is feeding a cock and bull story about the Syrian army is about to use chemical weapons on their own people?
So what happens when they win wars by deceit? They write their own history!!! Are the coming generations going to argue this out ? They will have to dig for the truth?
Same about Beni Israeel ,or other tribes of the past. We cannot trust "men/folks" history unless we check it.

That is why I try to push for the self correction/self cleansing of each individual to search for the truth and live the truth. Only then we can make sure "future history " is clean and honest.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Re: Who is Isra'iil إِسْرَائِيلَ
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2018, 11:25:30 AM »
Peace noshirk.
Of course history is not simple to unravel.
I keep saying this over and over again.
Let me give you a clear example of today:

The western media is making a new history by deceiving folks and feeding them information/news in an edited way following a leaders/system agenda.(I live in the west so I am commenting on the west. I am also assuming other media do the same).
The west media ,in the past few days or before that has not even mentioned the bombing of Syria by Israel. Why?
I leave you and the readers to find the answers ! I believe public support will diminish and the general public will start asking questions of !why are you supporting tyranny and injustice?"
The west media is pre-empting /preparing to get public support for attacking Syria again ,so it is feeding a cock and bull story about the Syrian army is about to use chemical weapons on their own people?
So what happens when they win wars by deceit? They write their own history!!! Are the coming generations going to argue this out ? They will have to dig for the truth?
Same about Beni Israel ,or other tribes of the past. We cannot trust "men/folks" history unless we check it.

That is why I try to push for the self correction/self cleansing of each individual to search for the truth and live the truth. Only then we can make sure "future history " is clean and honest.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace good logic.

Seems like if we were in something like a messianic period.
the importance taken by "Israel" and all the powerful governments who make allegiance to Israel nowadays is very surprising.
Never in history, Israel was so important.
In fact, in history (not in old testament), we cannot find trace of an Israeli or even a Jewish civilization. there is no proof of existence of kingdom Israel even with saloman or david (i think even they were not from people of torah). Jews were always marginal people of little importance.

in fact, seems like "Israel" is gathering his "childs". With my understating, Islamists are also banu israel. It is not surprising for me to see Daech working for Israel state.
And it is clear that opportunists/hypocrites of all countries are making allegiance to Israel.

Of course, there is no massih dajjal in quran and no return of Jesus or something like this.
I consider all this as an Israeli prophecy which looks like it is realizing. However i think there will be an end of story not expected by Israeli "prophets". I would say as usual since Israel expect his Messiah from long time ago.

Theological enemy of Israel personage is of course, for me,......the Messiah personage.
i dont know how it will end but  i feel that big theological events are occurring.



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Re: Who is Isra'iil إِسْرَائِيلَ
« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2018, 07:13:25 PM »
https://topicsfromquran.com/2018/09/29/israeel-and-bani-israeel/

Biblical beliefs which have crept into Muslim faith, make people believe that Israeel means Yaqoob A.S, however, this is not stated in Quran.  Link to above post reviews Ayas of Quran, what does the terms  'Israeel' and  ‘Bani Israeel’ mean as per character traits and description given in Quran.


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Re: Who is Isra'iil إِسْرَائِيلَ
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2018, 02:58:52 AM »
Israel means God-conscious, the system of mode of conduct, among dwellers of this forum as well. It stems from Ancient root א‬ש‬ר‬, meaning straight path, and also ads א‬ל‬ (El), which traditionally means God. Combined it means "Straight path to God".

In the Quran this phrase is available as a combination ofاسر and ايل , which is joint + familiarity, unity, because that's what AL steps from. Together it means "Enjoined Unity", which is also related to A LOT OF Quranic phrases, including the name for the Quran itself, which means "Unification". Unification of what would you ask?

There was never such tribe as Children of Israel nor Exodus events, at some point in history they simply titled themselves as adepts of a particular religious movement as spiritual successors to these tribes described in the myth. Similarly as people in Arabia started calling themselves "muslims" and converting to "Islam" (also completely mistranslated words) because of the Quran. The twelve tribes is an allegory for what hangs on every wall in every house in your hallway.

Those who believe it to be a nation should also support the creation myth and explain the problem of different races from it as well, since there is banu Adama (Children of Adam) too. Israel is not a tribe.

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