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What could 'Badr' mean in 3:123

Started by ajzhyder, September 17, 2018, 11:42:09 PM

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ajzhyder

Salam
Will appreciate if some one can share opinions about 'Badr' in 3:123. Does it have to be name of a place? Some other opinions I have heard are that it may mean 'Earlier on' or  'Full manifestation'.

3:123  وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ ۖ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

Thanks

The Sardar

Quote from: ajzhyder on September 17, 2018, 11:42:09 PM
Salam
Will appreciate if some one can share opinions about 'Badr' in 3:123. Does it have to be name of a place? Some other opinions I have heard are that it may mean 'Earlier on' or  'Full manifestation'.

3:123  وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ ۖ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

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Salam/Peace brother Ajzhyder.

Ba-Dal-Ra = become full/grown/round/large (e.g. full moon), attained maturity, hastened/strove to be first, thing/event came/happened to him speedily, a place in which wheat/grain is trodden out.

badr n. 3:123

bidar n.m. 4:6

LL, V1, p: 202, 203  ##  http://ejtaal.net/aa/#q=bdr

good logic

Brother The Sardar.
Is that Arabic copy of yours coming out weird or is my head still spinning from my last post in another thread?
Anyway brother do not worry about it. I wish all my posts come out like that(Giberrish!) ,then I would be in Peace with myself.

May be this is my punishment in this life! to come here and browse this forum?
I mean brother Antitarzan has the right idea. but I am still browsing his earlier links. I am 5 years behind schedule there!
A good job brother Thelastday3 is being easy on me,only posting every few days. I am also still working out some of that Maths of his.
As for my posts,I advise folks in here to skip them if they find them extreme and boring. Actually I apologise to all readers for all the nonsense I have came up  with in various threads!
Also do not worry brother, I am not going to put the "head banging character" here.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: ajzhyder on September 17, 2018, 11:42:09 PM
Will appreciate if some one can share opinions about 'Badr' in 3:123. Does it have to be name of a place? Some other opinions I have heard are that it may mean 'Earlier on' or  'Full manifestation'.

peace read ?in context? 3:121-127 place of battle i.e. "in badr"

places derive names from characteristic, attribute, aspect, etc.

translation: https://i.postimg.cc/Sk3mmPKW/ch3v118-127.jpg

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/3/vers/123/handschrift/163

The Sardar

Quote from: good logic on September 18, 2018, 11:41:58 AM
Brother The Sardar.
Is that Arabic copy of yours coming out weird or is my head still spinning from my last post in another thread?
Anyway brother do not worry about it. I wish all my posts come out like that(Giberrish!) ,then I would be in Peace with myself.
I have no idea what you mean by "Arabic copy".

huruf

Badr is the full moon

so it may be tat when it shone made things easier for them enabling them to see the enemy more clearly and so overcome them.

Salaam

good logic

Peace The Sardar.
Look at your reply 1. The verse you quoted in your quote ,I cannot read it. What language is that?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
TOTAL LOYALTY TO GOD ALONE.   IN GOD I TRUST
38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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The Sardar

Quote from: good logic on September 19, 2018, 05:04:59 AM
Peace The Sardar.
Look at your reply 1. The verse you quoted in your quote ,I cannot read it. What language is that?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Odd. I didn't quote any verses. I think you mistook the verse numbers in the root word. That's PRL-Project Root List.

good logic

Peace The Sardar.
This is how it appeared in your post:
3:123  وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ ۖ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ
What  language is this?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
TOTAL LOYALTY TO GOD ALONE.   IN GOD I TRUST
38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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The Sardar

Quote from: good logic on September 19, 2018, 01:48:37 PM
Peace The Sardar.
This is how it appeared in your post:
3:123  وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ ۖ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ
What  language is this?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Arabic. It has the diacritics marks. Why you ask?

good logic

Peace The Sardar.
Look at yours and look at this Arabic:
Yours: 3:123  وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ ۖ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

Arabic: 3:123 وَلَقَد نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدرٍ وَأَنتُم أَذِلَّةٌ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُم تَشكُرونَ

I can read the second, I cannot read/understand yours. Please explain?
GOD bless you.
Peace
TOTAL LOYALTY TO GOD ALONE.   IN GOD I TRUST
38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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The Sardar

Quote from: good logic on September 20, 2018, 02:31:53 AM
Peace The Sardar.
Look at yours and look at this Arabic:
Yours: 3:123  وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ ۖ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

Arabic: 3:123 وَلَقَد نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدرٍ وَأَنتُم أَذِلَّةٌ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُم تَشكُرونَ

I can read the second, I cannot read/understand yours. Please explain?
GOD bless you.
Peace
Oh that! That was not from me. That was from Ajzhyder. Check the first post of this topic.

Anoushirvan

Salam,

Badr means full force or full maturity, like a full moon, and fits perfectly in the context of verse 3:123

3:123 And certainly Allah helped you with "full force" while you were weak. So fear Allah so that you may be grateful


Badr as a battle in the Sira of Muhammad comes from the fact that the mythical battles of Muhammad (because I believe these battles never existed) are shaped on the battles of Yehoshua bin Nun (successor of Moses) in the Book of Joshua, and also the Books of Maccabees.

Thus, the first battle that Muhammad is supposed to have fought is at Badr, which means full moon as above, while the first battle of Yehoshua was at Jericho.
However in Hebrew, Jericho is Yeriho, which is assonance with another Hebrew word, yerah, and this word means...tada... full moon !!

There are other similarities, like the second battle of Muhammad at Uhud was a defeat, like the second one of Yehoshua before Ai.

Another similarity is borrowed from the Book of Maccabees. Thus Muhammad is supposed to have fled to Medina, like the Maccabees fled to Modin.

Why having done this ? Justify that Muhammad was the new Yehoshua (Joshua), i.e. the Messiah, or the Christ returned to Earth.

good logic

Peace The Sardar.
You have done it again.
Look at my post 10 and look at your quote from good logic(post11).
My Arabic verse has changed into that gibberish writing again!
May be it is to do with your browser or something technical?
Honest ,it is not my head. It has stopped spinning/
GOD bless you.
Peace
TOTAL LOYALTY TO GOD ALONE.   IN GOD I TRUST
38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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huruf

Yes Sardar, your posts, I suppose, it is when you put in arabic text, appears as a ild orgy of different latin letters in all kinds of dressings like miicking several inerplanetary languages, I guess, but nothing that can be read. I thought you did it in purpose, but clearly I was too trusting on that. No I realise you were trying to put in arabic. No single arabic letter appears.

Salaam

The Sardar

Quote from: huruf on September 21, 2018, 02:39:55 AM
Yes Sardar, your posts, I suppose, it is when you put in arabic text, appears as a ild orgy of different latin letters in all kinds of dressings like miicking several inerplanetary languages, I guess, but nothing that can be read. I thought you did it in purpose, but clearly I was too trusting on that. No I realise you were trying to put in arabic. No single arabic letter appears.

Salaam
Huh i dont what is wrong then. You guys are making me a bit worried.

huruf

It may be just a little something that you have rong in some configuration. The informatic orld is full of things like mouses that come and go without noticing but which leave a trail of unwanted and misterious hapennings.

Somewhere sometime as you go along you will discover.

Salaam

Mazhar

Quote from: The Sardar on September 21, 2018, 09:39:01 AM
Huh i dont what is wrong then. You guys are making me a bit worried.

Relax. Nothing wrong. Font was not converted in your first post. Copy paste first post of the thread on Office page in your computer and see whether Arabic font appears. If not install the font on your computer.
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The Sardar

Quote from: Mazhar on September 21, 2018, 10:06:14 AM
Relax. Nothing wrong. Font was not converted in your first post. Copy paste first post of the thread on Office page in your computer and see whether Arabic font appears. If not install the font on your computer.
But i see the arabic text.

Mazhar

Quote from: ajzhyder on September 17, 2018, 11:42:09 PM
Salam
Will appreciate if some one can share opinions about 'Badr' in 3:123. Does it have to be name of a place? Some other opinions I have heard are that it may mean 'Earlier on' or  'Full manifestation'.

3:123  وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ ۖ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

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Testing  Result is okay. Let us forget it, some fault somewhere occurred  earlier.
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