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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2019, 01:10:49 PM »
The Jesuits and the Zionists?

Responsible for the majority of the world's corruption.
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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2019, 11:21:25 PM »
What makes you to believe that? There is no indication in the Bible or Qur'an to make that assumption. Ya'juj and Ma'juj are Banu Adam - Human beings.

I am not a Bible student so I can't comment on what it says. For the Quran however, they are never mentioned as people (that is an assumption readers jump to - which is not supported).
`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2019, 05:11:45 AM »
The Jesuits and the Zionists?

Responsible for the majority of the world's corruption.

Jesuits, Zionists, Khazarians, Illuminati, the Royal Class, High Degree Freemasons like Albert Pike - the conglomerate of Evil. All share the same genetics.


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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2019, 08:46:48 AM »
I am not a Bible student so I can't comment on what it says. For the Quran however, they are never mentioned as people (that is an assumption readers jump to - which is not supported).

Building of an Ironwall to prevent those troublemakers to corrupt other lands is enough indication for me that those are people.
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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2019, 12:43:52 PM »
Building of an Ironwall to prevent those troublemakers to corrupt other lands is enough indication for me that those are people.

Iron wall can keep out radiation. See Fukushima accident in Japan. They had to build a wall around the reactor to keep it from destroying the Pacific Ocean. Quran also mentions the location to be where the sun sets in the murky water. That is Japan.

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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2019, 01:11:11 PM »
The Pacific Ocean is murky? Seems pretty clear to me. The Qur'an mostly talks about geographical locations near the arabian peninsular (except the gardens of eden), the Prophet was asked about Dhul Qarnayn (two ages as an individual making impact on history twice or two horns as a title of his big empire) because they knew it from their scriptures about him, the persian King Cyrus the Great (in the Torah, as he was a Zoroastrian, the original teachings of Zarathustra are monotheistic), who never travelled to Japan. Jibril gave them more information regarding him and prophecies regarding them and a community of a city which was destroyed, after all the ancient ciivilizations - it was finally the hebrew israelite civilization which was destroyed. And why would Radiation be named as Magog? A human being??

And there is prohibition upon [the people of] a city which We have destroyed that they will [ever] return. Until when [the dam of] Gog and Magog has been opened and they, from every elevation, descend. 21:95-96

How can radiation benefit a destroyed town?? They will come forth? Radiation???

Theres is also a great deception going on about the harmfulness of the nuclear powerplants, "atomic" bombs, radiations or nuclear fission in general. You should stop mixing modern mainstream paradigms with scriptures, especially coming from mainstream media and public education facilities. As this is coming from people you are calling "radiation", who are compulsive liers and decievers without consciousness.
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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2019, 03:05:47 AM »
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Building of an Ironwall to prevent those troublemakers to corrupt other lands is enough indication for me that those are people.

Again, you are reading with a preconceived notion that is tarnishing the message - the word people does not appear anywhere in this subject.

Also, what type of people need an "Iron" wall to keep them out?! A stone wall would have sufficed.

As Spodacus has mentioned, radiation is one possible understanding since lead does shield from its effects. Let's examine:

18:93   Until he reached an area that was between the two barriers, he found within it a people who could barely understand anything said.

Why does the Quran tell us they could barely understand? Obviously they could communicate (else how did they speak with Zul Qarnain and convey the message), but clearly something was wrong with them (were they retarded by something?)

18:94   They said: "O Two Horned One, Gog and Magog are corrupters of the land, so shall we make a tribute for you that you will make between us and them a barrier?"

Never do they say that Gog and Magog are "people", rather they say they are "corrupters of the land".

And what do they want? They ask for a barrier to be built to protect them from these corrupters.

18:95   He said: "What my Lord has given me is far better. So help me with strength and I will make between you and them a landfill."

This is interesting. Zul Qarnain tells them they do not need a "barrier", but they need a "landfill" (radman) to protect them from Gog and Mogog! We can completely diregard the possibility of Gog and Magog being humans here as the landfill indicates they are eminanting from a fixed place.

18:96   "Bring me dense metal," until he leveled between the two sides. He said: "Blow," until he made it into fire. He said: "Bring me tar so I can pour it over."
18:97   So they could not penetrate it, and they could not advance in it.


Again, we see here the landfill that Zul Qarnayn built was made from "dense metal" (zubr alhadeed). No people would need a landfill to keep them out, and definitely not one made from dense metal (lead?).

18:98   He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes, He will make it crumble. And the promise of my Lord is truth."
18:99   And We will let them on that day surge with one another. And the horn was blown, so We gathered them together.


What "promise" is being referred to here? The promises I could find was that in 17:5 & 17:7 & 17:104 that are related to the destruction of Israel after its second rise.

Will Gog and Magog be unleashed as the use of nuclear "fission & fusion" as a fulfillment of the prophecy that these destructive/corrupting elements will be unleashed again on the world...
`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2019, 05:46:43 AM »
Read the prophecies of Ezekiel and keep the table of Nations in mind:

Ezekiel 38

38 2 He prophesieth that Gog and Magog shall fight with great power against the people of God. 21 Their destruction.

1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of men, set thy face against [a]Gog, and against the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I come against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.

4 And I will destroy thee, and put hooks in thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth and all thine host, both horses and horsemen, all clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great multitude with bucklers and shields, all handling swords.

5 They of [c]Paras, of Cush, and Put with them, even all they that bear shield and helmet.

6 [d]Gomer and all his bands, and the house of Togarmah of the North quarters, and all his bands, and much people with thee.

7 Prepare thyself, and make thee [e]ready, both thou, and all thy multitude that are assembled unto thee, and be thou their safeguard.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: for in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that hath been destroyed with the sword, and is gathered out of many people upon the mountains of Israel, which have long lain waste: yet [f]they have been brought out of the people, and they shall dwell all safe.

9 Thou shalt ascend and come up like a tempest, and shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, both thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God, Even at the same time shall many things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think [g]evil thoughts.

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land that hath no walled towers: [h]I will go to them that are at rest and dwell in safety, which dwell all without walls, and have neither bars nor gates,

12 Thinking to spoil the prey, and to take a booty, to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations which have gotten cattle, and goods, and dwell in the midst of the land.

13 Sheba and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish with all the lions thereof shall say unto thee, Art thou come to spoil the prey? hast thou gathered thy multitude to take a booty? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, and to spoil a great prey?

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God, In that day, when my people of Israel [j]dwelleth safe shalt thou not know it,

15 And come from thy place out of the North parts, thou and much people with thee? all shall ride upon horses, even a great multitude and a mighty army.

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land, thou shalt be in the [k]latter days, and I will bring thee upon my land, that the heathen may know me, when I [l]shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord God, Art not thou he, of whom I have spoken in old time, [m]by the hand of my servants the Prophets of Israel which prophesied in those days and years, that I would bring thee upon them?

18 At the same time also when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, my wrath shall arise in mine anger.

19 For in mine indignation, and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken it: surely at that time there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel,

20 So that the fishes of the Sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all that move and creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the earth, shall tremble at my presence, and the mountains shall be overthrown, and the [n]stairs shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 For I will call for a sword against him
  • throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man?s sword shall be against his brother.


22 And I will plead against him with pestilence, and with blood, and I will cause to rain upon him and upon his bands, and upon the great people that are with him, a sore rain, and hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I be magnified, and sanctified, and known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know, that I am the Lord.
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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2019, 06:59:12 AM »
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Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2019, 08:12:31 AM »
Great Wall of Gorgan


It is 195 km long and 6–10 m wide, and features over 30 fortresses spaced at intervals of between 10 and 50 km. It is surpassed only by the walls systems of Great Wall of China as the longest single-segment building and the longest defensive wall in existence.

The wall is located at a geographic narrowing between the Caspian Sea and the mountains of northeastern Iran. It is one of several Caspian Gates at the eastern part of a region known in antiquity as Hyrcania, on the nomadic route from the northern steppes to the Iranian heartland. The wall is believed to have protected the Sassanian Empire to the south from the peoples to the north, probably the White Huns.



FAQ:

Q: Has the wall / defense perimeter been broken?
A: Yes it has been broken many centuries ago

Q: By whom?
A: The nomadic tribes of central asia, proficient in horses and archery, recognized by many names such as: Huns, Scythian, Turks, Mongols now being grouped together as "Altaic people" due to the similarity of languages. And sometimes the Japanese were also grouped within Altaic grouping due to the similarity of languages.

Q: What happened after they 'broke through'
A: They conquered and settled on the southern area of the wall, founded empire with names such as: Mongol Empire (the most brutal and largest overland empire in human history spanning from Europe to China), Ottoman Empire / Caliphate (the largest Islamic Caliphate in human history), Timurid Empire (among the most brutal empire in history), Seljuk Empire, Yuan Dynasty.

Q: What's the purpose of the wall?
A: Defense, the wall was built to contain the nomadic tribe of the north

Q: Why built a wall and passively on the defense if they were such a threat? why not invading them instead and eliminate the threat?
A: Invading nomadic tribes is not an easy task, they constantly move around and they don't have any cities or capital cities. They also don't have any single leader which sedentary empire (such as the Parthian, Abbassid or Qing) can negotiate a deal with.

Q: Are there any other similar structure with the same purpose?
A: Yes in China, known as Great Wall of China


Q: Were those walls still standing and actively guarded / maintained during 7th century?
A: Yes, both Gorgan Wall and China Wall are still actively standing and guarded during the 7th century.

Q: Were there any casualties caused by the nomads breaking through
A: Yes, the highest casualties was caused by the invading Mongols, they broke through the China wall of defense and continue to conquer China, Persia, Middle East up to Austria Hungary. The mongol invasion caused 50 millions of direct death.

Q: Only 50 millions? Not more.
A: More, if you count the indirect death caused by the plague they carry. 200 millions additional death from the black plague.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

Q: Does the wall still exist now?
A: Yes, the remain of the Wall of Gorgan are still there, although in total ruin, while the great wall of China has become a major tourist attraction.

Q: Does the wall still functioning?
A: Not as a defense, a wall / barrier from whatever material is useless in today's age of ICBM, drone and cruise missiles. It's functioned as a major tourist attraction now.

Q: So where are the Gog Magog descendant now?
A: Nearly everyone.. as the Turks, Mongols, Scythian, Hunts has mixed with the sedentary population they have conquered and has adopted sedentary lifestyle. A genetic research in China has shown that 120 million people living in China today are descendants of one great Mongolian king.