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Re: 113:2
« Reply #100 on: July 01, 2018, 11:40:22 AM »
Both brothers ,in my opinion, know that Qoran sometimes break the normal rules of lexicons and grammar and has a deeper meaning that needs to be patiently analysed and pondered.

From my point of view, we need to use our eyes, ears and brain/logic and work hard on our attitude to accept that we may be wrong and set on our ways ,then persevere patiently and be willing to change our views  ,challenging ourselves to be honest and not leave doubts in our head.
Following our instinct is a built up mechanism within us by our Creator to test our resolve.
Understanding Qoran is a task that needs to be taken seriously  with honesty and sincerity so that we are doing it to better ourselves and grow our soul./spirit.
Also ,in my opinion, it can only be done with the help of the Author of Qoran.
Best of luck to you in your quest.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Bold 1: I have been hearing from our siblings that Qur'an has it's own dictionary which in my point of view is a genius move by Allah/God (SWTAY) and i am incline to agree with it even though i have not verify it yet because i don't sadly know how to confirm it.

Bold 2: I completely agree you.  I am trying my best in studying the Divine Revelation in a honest and sincere way and i don't want to mislead myself or others. Since i sadly don't know Quranic Arabic or Classical Arabic, i am using the classical arabic lexicons to help my research. I hope it would at least help me understand the Qur'an in it's original language. Salamun Aleykum/Peace be upon you.

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Re: 113:2
« Reply #101 on: July 01, 2018, 10:48:11 PM »
Ye have become the scholars you mock and despise.
11 pages 100 replies about nothing.
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My Lord I repent to you for anything I uttered concerning You for which I have no knowledge of. Indeed You are the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

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Re: 113:2
« Reply #102 on: July 02, 2018, 12:15:58 AM »
Ye have become the scholars you mock and despise.
11 pages 100 replies about nothing.
Scholars? Mock & despise? We don't call ourselves scholars, atleast i don't call myself a scholar.  And the replies is about evil & good.

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Re: 113:2
« Reply #103 on: July 02, 2018, 06:52:15 AM »
Brother HP_TECH, all the thousands of pages in here are about nothing if one does not pick from what is best and applies it in their life, in manner, attitude and works.
Also GOD s words can be nothing to some people, which reminds me about one of Jesus parables, I will quote it in summary:

There was a town with an unjust judge who did not believe in GOD nor respected his people. An old lady who wanted justice would ask him every day to give her justice against her enemies. Finally ,for some peace from her continuous demands, he gave her the justice she was asking for.

Perhaps another way for folks is to keep asking GOD for their queries and answers ,if an unjust judge gave to that lady her request, how much more would the Only just judge give to His servants/creations?

Renders this and other forums and all other creatures irrelevant?
GOD bless you.
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Re: 113:2
« Reply #104 on: July 04, 2018, 07:04:28 PM »
Yes everything is from Allah/God (SWTAY), HOWEVER there are some things there are not made by God (hopefully i didn't contradict myself): Weapons, it was not made by The Creator, it was made by humans from materials that was produced by God. And another example is Evil, it was not made by Allah (SWTAY), it is the abscene of goodness when humans stop being good and follow their immoral desires. It makes sense to me. By the way Allah (SWTAY) made fruits which in it is a healing for us:

peace brother sardar ,

when God was planning to create human race it was already a discussion was going about the future achievements and also some blood shedding(WITH THE HELP OF WEAPONS) and do you think God dnt know what he was creating .. weapons are created by humans with the knowledge/mind/intellect provided to us by God.. so the ceation of weapon comes from God.

Did you see monkey making a Gun? why not ?

coming to the second very important part of your discussion real universal God must be one and there is no other KHALIQ apart from God to create evil or any other thing good or bad a example verse is given below

39:62 God is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things



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Re: 113:2
« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2018, 09:28:02 PM »
peace brother sardar ,

when God was planning to create human race it was already a discussion was going about the future achievements and also some blood shedding(WITH THE HELP OF WEAPONS) and do you think God dnt know what he was creating .. weapons are created by humans with the knowledge/mind/intellect provided to us by God.. so the ceation of weapon comes from God.

Did you see monkey making a Gun? why not ?

coming to the second very important part of your discussion real universal God must be one and there is no other KHALIQ apart from God to create evil or any other thing good or bad a example verse is given below

39:62 God is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things
I happened to check the arabic word of thing and i found it's in singular form (genitive masculine indefinite noun) both in Quranix.org & Corpus grammar, check PRL:

Shiin-Ya-Alif = to will/wish. shaiun (pl. ashyaa'un) - thing/matter, affair in any way, at all, what is willed or wished, aught, any extent. In direct objective case it is often used to denote the meaning "a little", "bit", "at all". Adverbially it means "in any way", "at all".

sha'a vb. (1)
perf. act. 2:20, 2:35, 2:58, 2:70, 2:220, 2:223, 2:253, 2:253, 2:255, 4:90, 5:48, 6:35, 6:41, 6:107, 6:112, 6:128, 6:137, 6:148, 6:149, 7:19, 7:155, 7:161, 7:176, 7:188, 9:28, 10:16, 10:49, 10:99, 11:33, 11:107, 11:108, 11:118, 12:99, 16:9, 16:35, 16:93, 17:86, 18:29, 18:29, 18:39, 18:69, 18:77, 23:"4, 24:62, 25:10, 25:45, 25:51, 25:57, 27:87, 28:27, 32:13, 33:24, 37:102, 39:15, 39:68, 41:14, 41:40, 42:8, 43:20, 48:27, 73:19, 74:37, 74:55, 76:28, 76:29, 78:39, 80:12, 80:22, 81:28, 82:8, 87:7

impf. act. 2:90, 2:105, 2:142, 2:212, 2:213, 2:247, 2:251, 2:261, 2:269, 2:272, 2:284, 2:284, 3:6, 3:13, 3:26, 3:26, 3:26, 3:26, 3:27, 3:37, 3:40, 3:47, 3:73, 3:74, 3:129, 3:129, 3:179, 4:48, 4:49, 4:116, 4:133, 5:17, 5:18, 5:18, 5:40, 5:40, 5:54, 5:64, 6:39, 6:39, 6:80, 6:83, 6:88, 6:111, 6:133, 6:133, 6:138, 7:89, 7:100, 7:128, 7:155, 7:155, 7:156, 8:31, 9:15, 9:27, 10:25, 10:107, 11:87, 12:56, 12:56, 12:76, 12:76, 12:100, 12:110, 13:13, 13:26, 13:27, 13:31, 13:39, 14:4, 14:4, 14:11, 14:19, 14:27, 16:2, 16:31, 16:93, 16:93, 17:18, 17:30, 17:54, 17:54, 18:24, 21:9, 22:5, 22:18, 24:21, 24:35, 24:38, 24:43, 24:43, 24:45, 24:46, 25:16, 26:4, 28:56, 28:68, 28:82, 29:21, 29:21, 29:62, 30:5, 30:37, 30:48, 30:48, 30:54, 33:51, 33:51, 34:9, 34:13, 34:36, 34:39, 35:1, 35:8, 35:16, 35:22, 36:43, 36:47, 36:66, 36:67, 39:4, 39:23, 39:34, 39:52, 39:74, 40:15, 42:8, 42:12, 42:13, 42:19, 42:22, 42:24, 42:27, 42:29, 42:33, 42:49, 42:49, 42:49, 42:50, 42:51, 42:52, 43:60, 47:4, 47:30, 48:14, 48:14, 48:25, 50:35, 53:26, 56:65, 56:70, 57:21, 57:29, 59:6, 62:4, 74:31, 74:31, 74:56, 76:30, 76:30, 76:31, 81:29, 81:29

shay n.m. (pl. ashya) 2:20, 2:29, 2:48, 2:106, 2:109, 2:113, 2:113, 2:123, 2:148, 2:155, 2:170, 2:178, 2:216, 2:216, 2:229, 2:231, 2:255, 2:259, 2:264, 2:282, 2:282, 2:284, 3:5, 3:10, 3:26, 3:28, 3:29, 3:64, 3:92, 3:116, 3:120, 3:128, 3:144, 3:154, 3:154, 3:165, 3:176, 3:177, 3:189, 4:4, 4:19, 4:20, 4:32, 4:33, 4:36, 4:59, 4:85, 4:86, 4:113, 4:126, 4:176, 5:17, 5:17, 5:19, 5:40, 5:41, 5:42, 5:68, 5:94, 5:97, 5:101, 5:104, 5:117, 5:120, 6:17, 6:19, 6:38, 6:44, 6:52, 6:52, 6:69, 6:80, 6:80, 6:91, 6:93, 6:99, 6:101, 6:101, 6:102, 6:102, 6:111, 6:148, 6:151, 6:154, 6:159, 6:164, 7:85, 7:89, 7:145, 7:145, 7:156, 7:185, 7:191, 8:19, 8:41, 8:41, 8:60, 8:72, 8:75, 9:4, 9:25, 9:39, 9:39, 9:115, 10:36, 10:44, 11:4, 11:12, 11:57, 11:57, 11:72, 11:85, 11:101, 12:38, 12:67, 12:68, 12:111, 13:8, 13:14, 13:16, 14:18, 14:21, 14:38, 15:19, 15:21, 16:20, 16:35, 16:35, 16:40, 16:48, 16:70, 16:73, 16:75, 16:76, 16:77, 16:78, 16:89, 17:12, 17:44, 17:74, 18:23, 18:33, 18:45, 18:54, 18:70, 18:71, 18:74, 18:76, 18:84, 19:9, 19:27, 19:42, 19:60, 19:67, 19:89, 20:50, 20:98, 21:30, 21:47, 21:66, 21:81, 22:1, 22:5, 22:6, 22:17, 22:26, 22:73, 23:88, 24:35, 24:39, 24:45, 24:55, 24:64, 25:2, 25:3, 26:30, 26:183, 27:16, 27:23, 27:88, 27:91, 28:57, 28:60, 28:88, 29:12, 29:20, 29:42, 29:62, 30:40, 30:50, 31:33, 32:7, 33:27, 33:40, 33:52, 33:54, 33:54, 33:55, 34:16, 34:21, 34:39, 34:47, 35:1, 35:18, 35:44, 36:12, 36:15, 36:23, 36:54, 36:82, 36:83, 38:5, 38:6, 39:43, 39:62, 39:62, 40:7, 40:16, 40:20, 40:62, 40:74, 41:21, 41:39, 41:53, 41:54, 42:9, 42:10, 42:11, 42:12, 42:36, 44:41, 45:9, 45:10, 45:19, 46:8, 46:25, 46:26, 46:33, 47:32, 48:11, 48:21, 48:26, 49:14, 49:16, 50:2, 51:42, 51:49, 52:21, 52:35, 52:46, 53:26, 53:28, 54:6, 54:49, 54:52, 57:2, 57:3, 57:29, 58:6, 58:7, 58:10, 58:17, 58:18, 59:6, 60:4, 60:11, 60:12, 64:1, 64:11, 65:3, 65:12, 65:12, 66:8, 66:10, 67:1, 67:9, 67:19, 72:28, 76:1, 78:29, 80:18, 82:19, 85:9

LL, V4, p: 349, 350, 351  ##  http://ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shya

So wouldn't this be more accurate:

39:62 الله خالق كل شىء وهو علىا كل شىء وكيل
Allahu khaliqu kulli shay-inwahuwa AAala kulli shay-in wakeelun
God is the Creator of all thing/matter, and He is Guardian over all things. 

Please correct me if i am wrong.

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Re: 113:2
« Reply #106 on: July 04, 2018, 10:43:36 PM »

So wouldn't this be more accurate:

39:62 الله خالق كل شىء وهو علىا كل شىء وكيل
Allahu khaliqu kulli shay-inwahuwa AAala kulli shay-in wakeelun
God is the Creator of all thing/matter, and He is Guardian over all things. 

Please correct me if i am wrong.

Allah is creator of every thing and He is guardian over every thing.

Salaam



 

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Re: 113:2
« Reply #107 on: July 05, 2018, 03:00:40 AM »
Allah is creator of every thing and He is guardian over every thing.

Salaam
I agree with you. By the way, why did you crossed out the word "all". I checked the Wikitionary and i have picture for you and pay attention to the Etymology & the declension:



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« Reply #108 on: July 05, 2018, 12:09:46 PM »
I agree with you. By the way, why did you crossed out the word "all". I checked the Wikitionary and i have picture for you and pay attention to the Etymology & the declension:




Every is also the meaning of "kulla".

What is correct grammatically "All Thing" or "every thing"?

We use "all" with a plural so we either say "all things" or "every thing".

Hope that make sense.

Salaam

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« Reply #109 on: July 05, 2018, 02:33:22 PM »
In some forms, the word can also be to eat or consume something (from Alef-Kaf-Lam).