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Re: Kafir- Athiest?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2018, 06:24:35 AM »
Salam everyone,
God will decide who is and who is not  a kafir.

We don't need to get bogged down with definitions to understand who is eternally condemned.

An atheist/deist rejects the idea of revelation. That means he thinks all prophets are liars.

The Quran is very clear on those who denied the prophets. There is no pardon for someone who thinks like that.





Peace.

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Re: Kafir- Athiest?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2018, 07:29:32 AM »
We don't need to get bogged down with definitions to understand who is eternally condemned.

An atheist/deist rejects the idea of revelation. That means he thinks all prophets are liars.

The Quran is very clear on those who denied the prophets. There is no pardon for someone who thinks like that.
I must be honest, that is a assumption. What makes you so sure that an atheist or a deist that all prophets are liars?

And yes Allah/God (SWTAY) does makes it clear who denied the prophets and messengers when they came with clear proofs:

40:83 فلما جاءتهم رسلهم بالبينات فرحوا بما عندهم من العلم وحاق بهم ما كانوا به يستهزءون
Falamma jaat-hum rusuluhum bialbayyinatifarihoo bima AAindahum mina alAAilmi wahaqabihim ma kanoo bihi yastahzi-oona
Then, when their messengers came to them with clear proofs, they were content with what they already had of knowledge. And they will be surrounded by that which they used to mock.

57:25 لقد ارسلنا رسلنا بالبينات وانزلنا معهم الكتاب والميزان ليقوم الناس بالقسط وانزلنا الحديد فيه باس شديد ومنافع للناس وليعلم الله من ينصره ورسله بالغيب ان الله قوى عزيز
Laqad arsalna rusulana bialbayyinatiwaanzalna maAAahumu alkitaba waalmeezanaliyaqooma alnnasu bialqisti waanzalnaalhadeeda feehi ba/sun shadeedun wamanafiAAu lilnnasiwaliyaAAlama Allahu man yansuruhu warusulahu bialghaybiinna Allaha qawiyyun AAazeezun
We have sent Our messengers with clear proofs, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance, so that the people may uphold justice. And We sent down the iron, wherein there is great strength, and many benefits for the people. So that God would distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers in the unseen. God is Powerful, Noble.

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Re: Kafir- Athiest?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 07:42:16 AM »
We don't need to get bogged down with definitions to understand who is eternally condemned.

An atheist/deist rejects the idea of revelation. That means he thinks all prophets are liars.

The Quran is very clear on those who denied the prophets. There is no pardon for someone who thinks like that.

And what about those who reject Jesus only because the image that is often attributed to him is that of "son of God, God on earth, who was sacrificed for the sins of everyone"? And those who reject Mohammed because of the really bad images that are attributed to him outside of the Islamic world?
Is he who is based on proof from his Lord, as he for whom his evil works have been adorned for him and they followed their desires?
~ 47:14 ~

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Re: Kafir- Athiest?
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2018, 09:04:30 AM »
And what about those who reject Jesus only because the image that is often attributed to him is that of "son of God, God on earth, who was sacrificed for the sins of everyone"?

According to Catholics (before 1960's) they will be tortured for all eternity.
Including to those who 'rebelled' to God's authority by establishing another church in rival to Catholic church.

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And those who reject Mohammed because of the really bad images that are attributed to him outside of the Islamic world?

According to Muslims they will be tortured for all eternity..

See the pattern here?
It goes way back up to the sect / religion of Marduk and friends..
Nothing change essentially, only the clothing / wrapping are different..


Now who are the Kafr?
Based on the history it range from:
- Those who proclaimed prophet along with or after Muhammad
- The follower of Ali / The follower of Muawiya (depending on which side that you're on)
- The Mongols
- The Catholics (especially during the Crusades)
- The Seljuks and it's followers (according to the Abassids)
- The Persian Safavids (according to the Ottoman Turks)
- The Jews (according to the Arabs)
- The Sunnis (according to the Shiites)
- And now the Atheist (what else is new?)

The summary is: Kafr = those people who you hate the most, your rival or your enemy.

Yet there are similarity throughout the history on Who are NOT among the Kafr.
It is YOU, and YOUR OWN GROUP.


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Re: Kafir- Athiest?
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2018, 09:10:49 AM »
Who is Marduk?