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:: Why do you believe that alQuraan is sent down from Allah? ::

Started by mmkhan, June 05, 2018, 05:53:12 PM

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Why do you believe that alQuraan is sent down from Allah?

I believe so because I born in a Muslim family
1 (5.9%)
I believe so because I read and understood it in my language and found it to be unique
7 (41.2%)
I believe so because of challenges given in alQuraan to produce a sura like in it
8 (47.1%)
I don't believe that alQuraan is from Allah, but some intelligent people wrote it
0 (0%)
I don't believe that alQuraan is from Allah, but HUM or WE [some other creation] sent it
2 (11.8%)
I don't believe that alQuraan is from Allah as it has many contradictions
2 (11.8%)
I don't care if it is from Allah or not, it doesn't matter, I just take what is good from it
3 (17.6%)
I don't want to answer this question
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

good logic

Peace Noon.
Mathematics is a Scientifically consistent and accurate way to measure the text . There is only one way this measure works.
While studying the text helps the understanding of it.  It cannot measure its accuracy consistently.
Just like the understanding will differ, the inconstancy and difference will remain .
I know some argue the numerical measure and dispute the numbers, but they cannot argue against the measure itself being universal. The language of Mathematics is unified and universal.
Let me give you a clear example:
Say a person is called ALIA (1 9 12 1 being the numerical arrangement of the alphabet) I have measured the spelling numerically to make sure everyone spells it correctly. If anyone spells it ALYAH, then they have ignored the code  and misspelt the word ALIA .
Similarly if a sentence contains the word ALIA and someone wrote AMANDA , we can clearly tell by the maths code that the word has been changed all together not just misspelled.
GOD bless you.
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good logic

Sorry ALIA (I 12 9 1) correction of (1 9 12 1) of the last post which makes it AILA!)
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mmkhan

Quote from: good logic on September 08, 2018, 04:20:00 PM
Peace mmkhan.
Nice to hear from you brother.
22 versions? There may be many ,but GOD Anzala only one.

Peace brother good logic,
Thanks dear brother.
Red: I agree with you.
Blue: Any evidence bro?

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And we do not even need to think, just count the letters/numbers of surahs, verses, words...etc
But thinking is required for understanding the message once we know for sure/are certain GOD has sent a message.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

So you mean alQuraan is only for those who are able to count in millions and not for a lay man who don't know much counting?
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

mmkhan

Quote from: good logic on September 09, 2018, 06:42:25 AM
I have already said to you ,for me ,the hafs version we have today is the original Qoran according to my checking of its numerical composition.

Peace brother,

Numerical composition?
Who made it? Humans or God?
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

Noon waalqalami

peace good logic, instead of speaking about math in general use code or whatever to resolve?

2:58 واذ and when قلنا qul'nā/said we of
1.   ادخلوا ud'khulū/enters ye of هذه this القرىه the town
2.   فكلوا fakulū/so eat ye of منها therein حىث anyplace شىتم like you رغدا freely

7:161 واذ and when قىل qīla/stated لهم to them
1.  اسكنوا us'kunū/settles ye of هذه this القرىه the town
2.   وكلوا wakulū/and eat ye of منها therein حىث anyplace شىتم like you

good logic

Peace Noon.
What do you want to resolve with 2:58 and 7:161?
Do you expect them to have the same words?
In context and in general speech they mean the same thing .  They are two different verses in two different surahs.
2;58 has "Udkhulu " and 7:161 has "Uskunu".
Whether they are told "enter this town" or "go and live in this town" is this what you have a problem with?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: good logic on September 10, 2018, 11:27:47 AM
What do you want to resolve with 2:58 and 7:161?
Do you expect them to have the same words?
In context and in general speech they mean the same thing .

peace, words are different "enter" then settle/dwell likewise, cannot settles/dwells ?the gate? etc.

2:58 واذ and when قلنا qul'nā/said we of
ادخلوا ud'khulū/enters ye of هذه this القرىه the town
فكلوا fakulū/so eat ye of منها therein حىث anyplace شىتم like you رغدا freely
وادخلوا wa-ud'khulū/and enters ye of الباب the gate سجدا prostrate/modest of
وقولوا and speak ye of حطه repentance
نغفر we forgive لكم for you خطىكم khaṭāyākum/errors yours
وسنزىد and shall we increase المحسنىن the good doers

7:161 واذ and when قىل qīla/stated لهم to them
اسكنوا us'kunū/settles ye of هذه this القرىه the town
وكلوا wakulū/and eat ye of منها therein حىث anyplace شىتم like you
وقولوا and speak ye of حطه repentance
وادخلوا wa-ud'khulū/and enters ye of الباب the gate سجدا prostrate/modest of
نغفر we forgive لكم for you خطىىتكم khaṭīātikum/errors it yours
سنزىد shall we increase المحسنىن the good doers

In retelling story e.g., Qur?an can quote partially, switch order of speech, etc.

2:58 and 7:161 combined likewise, translation to Arabic from language spoken.

ادخلوا ud'khulū/enters ye of اسكنوا us'kunū/settles ye of هذه this القرىه the town
فوكلوا fawakulū/so and eat ye of منها therein حىث anyplace شىتم like you رغدا freely
وادخلوا and enters ye of الباب the gate سجدا prostrate/modest of
وقولوا and speak ye of حطه repentance
نغفر we forgive لكم for you خطىىتكم khaṭīātikum/errors it yours
وسنزىد and shall we increase المحسنىن the good doers



another example...

7:113-114 وجا and came السحره the magicians فرعون firaun قالوا said they of
ان inna/indeed لنا for us لاجرا surely reward of ان if كنا be we نحن we are الغالبىن the victors?
قال said نعم yes وانكم and surely you لمن surely among المقربىن the near being

26:41-42 فلما so when جا came السحره the magicians قالوا said they of لفرعون to firaun
اىن a-inna/is there لنا for us لاجرا surely reward of ان if كنا be we نحن we are الغالبىن the victors?
قال said نعم yes وانكم and surely you اذا idhan/then لمن surely among المقربىن the near being

combined?
ان inna/indeed اىن a-inna/is there لنا for us لاجرا surely reward of ان if كنا be we نحن we are الغالبىن the victors?
قال said نعم yes وانكم and surely you اذا idhan/then لمن surely among المقربىن the near being


good logic

Peace Noon.
I do not know what your point is?

2:58 and 7:161 are speaking from two different angles:
2:58 : We said to them"
2:161:" It was said to them"
If it was both "We said to them", then one may have an argument..
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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imrankhawaja

Quote from: good logic on September 11, 2018, 04:55:17 AM
Peace Noon.
I do not know what your point is?


his point is very very easy to understand.

or GL your math skills are weak. lmao

good logic

Peace Imran.
You say, quote:
his point is very very easy to understand.

Please explain it to me  as I honestly do not see the point?
GOD bless you.
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