Salaam,
74:31 And We have made the guardians of the Fire to be angels; and We did not make their number except as a test for those who have rejected, so that those who were given the Book would understand, and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Book and the believers do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say: "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes. And none know the soldiers of your Lord except He; and it is but a reminder for human beings.
There are two groups both of whom claim to believe in the Quran being of divine origin
One group who believes "their number/count" is just a trial/fitna for the rejecters and seeing this fitna/trial of the rejecters their faith increases and followings happens
so that those [/color]who were given the Book would understand, and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Book and the believers do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say: "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes.
The second group who believes "their number/count" is just a trial/fitna for the rejecters because of the mathematical structure of the Quran and their faith increases observing the mathematical miracle or the Quran not observing the fitna/trial of the rejecters.
Now the question is who are the rejecters?
As per the same chapter of the Quran they are the ones who doubt/reject the divine origin of the Quran and says it is merely saying of a human being.
74:24 So he said: "This is nothing except the magic of old."
74:25 "This is nothing except the saying of a human being."
So this is the 3rd group who categorically reject Quran and also any miracle claimed for Quran
Now back to the first two groups(both of which accepts the divine origin of the Quran)
One of them will be saying along with the rejecters "What did God mean with an example such as this?"
and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say: "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes.
Some said since before understanding this example we need to ask the question "What did God mean with an example such as this?" we should not even try to interpret or understand this example/verse
Same Queston can be found in the following verse
2:26 God does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they say: "What does God intend with this example?" He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.
Does God forbids us to ponder over the examples ?
The following verse says every example should be pondered over.
39:27 And We have put forth for the people in this Qur'an from every example, that they may take heed.
So should we ponder over verse 74:31 ?
--How "their number/count" becomes fitna/test for the people who have rejected the divine orign of Quran?
--Does observing fitna/test for rejecter that increases the faith of the believers or observation related to "their number/count" increases the faith ?
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Peace seekingtruth1111,
I think it is good analyze.
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Just as an example:
I just observed the word "their number"/عِدَّتَهُمْ is the 9th word of the verse 74:31. 74+31+9=114=19x6 .
http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(74:31:9)
However I also tried the followings which are not multiple of 19
74319 not a multiple of 19
7+4+3+1+9=24 not a multiple of 19
So is it a fitna/test for me because I am trying to discover a pattern with number 19 divisible? Am I rejecting the divine origin of Quran?
Has anyone's faith increased by observing this fitna?
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Some say it does increase their faith....
In this discussion, you can clearly see 74:30-31 in action because you can see who doesn't believe in the great reading without being attracted to Code 19. So they believe in the Code MORE than they believe in the great reading. Their claim of belief is as false as their Code. Please remember that 74:30-31 clearly states that the count/counting of 19 is nothing except a "fitna" (attractive temptation) for the disbelievers. Seeing this empirically verifiable fact is what results in increasing the belief of those who are ALREADY believers (without any Code).
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One of the problems with this understanding is that they categorize those who believe that there is a numerical structure (and of course believe) in the Quran, as:
"those who disbelieve / reject / alladhiena kafaru."Which doesn't make sense of course, and in
contradiction with the Quran, because those who believe that there is a numerical structure in the Quran are not disbelievers, as their aim is to prove that the Quran is a numerically preseved book by God.
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Some of those who do not believe in a numerical structure, see 74:30-31 as a Prohecy i.e.
The reason for revealing this number 19 would be to suggest to a group of believers that there is a numerical structure in the Quran.(that actually wouldn't be there??? ) and the purpose would be:
that other groups will
increase their faith and have no doubt, by observing the group of believers counting.
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They don't (want to) read in context, that is why I thik that they missed the reason for mentioning this
number 19 as a response to:
In hatha illa qawlu albashari https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/25/So according to logic this
number 19 will disprove that :
In hatha illa qawlu albashari And I thik that they missed also the warning:
Innaha la-ihda alkubari natheeran lilbashari https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/35/https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/36/والله اعلم
Allah knows best.
