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Noon waalqalami

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #120 on: November 26, 2019, 11:58:55 AM »
I have a curious question regarding the extra alif you guys are talking about

How do we know which one is correct?

For example
verse 2:2
                   
ذٰلِكَ الكِتٰبُ لا رَيبَ فيهِ هُدًى لِلمُتَّقينَ

The word الكِتٰبُ  is found in written with extra alif in some places as الْكِتَابُ

http://quranix.org/2#2

ذَٰلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِلْمُتَّقِينَ

How do we know which one is correct spelling. What was the reason for adding extra alif to this word? Though it doesn't change the meaning of the word but my question is what was the need to add extra alif. Was it required to facilitate  the pronunciation/vocalization/tone of the word?

peace, old scribes avoided writing alif especially in middle of words; unnecessary use context meaning is clear.

15:9 We, indeed We, it is We who have sent down the Reminder, and indeed it is We who will preserve it.

cross reference the phrase it does not say "preserve it"

12:12/12:63/15:9 ... وانا wa-inna له lahu لحفظون lahafizuna

85:21 No,it is a glorious Qur'an.
85:22 In a tablet, preserved.

Not about old manuscript on sheep skin or golden engraved disk or thumb flash drive.

But... I wonder why they deny it... God placed chapters with meaningless letters... What guidance it gives us?  If verses are not meant for numbering why in chapter 42 letters are written as two verses...  HA' Meem then second verse 'Ain Seen Qaf '... Why not write as one verse like chapter 19.. Why two separate verses... Has it written in any old version of Quran together?  If not why separate?

It's stated clearly 74:31 infatuation/counting disease evident they see it everywhere; house numbers, etc. everything presented on nineteen is simple flipping stuff around until they find a multiple 1/19 then present in color to the naive and to answer question verses/initials rearrangement was done 150+ years later; oldest manuscripts together as a single verse.

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1?handschrift=163

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1?handschrift=157

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1?handschrift=37

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1?handschrift=56

Codex Parisino-Petropolitanus: https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=4322


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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #121 on: November 26, 2019, 04:47:55 PM »
These numerically structured pattern was very recently discovered and that time verses were stuck as it is without knowing numerical pattern...they found numerical pattern with existing verses... Apart from tampering...  Who placed it separate....  I don't believe unless I see the true copy of what prophet wrote. .just they say old copy and we to trust... But what is written and what is proven within trustable distance...

Same way... Chapter 68 is diffent.. nun is placed and the meaningful verse is together... Not nun separate... Who did this and how numerical pattern came true...

Dear NWQ... You and me don't know how prophet wrote the Quran and how copies were replicated.... I strongly believe that numerical phenomena only serve it to authenticate unseen book of its original book.... 

You didn't reply why these unnecessary letters are placed?  Is it for decoration or is it fill up the blank... Or is it to confuse?  Or the author is mentally sick to place them?  Book says guidance... May I know what guidance you learned from those verses  which has no Arabic meaning other than just letters...  Is the author fooling us?
Preserved definitely with numerical pattern which they didn't know... But modern era.... Coz they had the right book.. We don't have the exact one.. So we have found the right one... That's what RK and crew did  and still people are bringing innumerate phenomena...
According to your understanding... These letters are nothing even numerical pattern... Fine.. Hope you will study one  day....
Or else prove me the book you read is from God.... Can you...

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #122 on: November 26, 2019, 11:37:33 PM »
Look brothers and sisters who are against numerical pattern for whatever the reasons of you.... but it seems you have worked out a lot in numerical pattern.. that's clear..

i understood the numerical pattern when i noticed chapter one is placed atop... then then the chapter 2 which start with 'Alif Lam Mim' and then God says this is a book.... That's so strange... That particular verse this is a book could have atop of everything but it started after chapter 1 and after Alif lam mim...
Giving nothing of a verse before saying 'This is a book in which no contradiction'.... I knew that numerical pattern is with intention....

May allah guide us with what is absolutely right soon...

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #123 on: November 27, 2019, 01:06:40 AM »
peace, old scribes avoided writing alif especially in middle of words; unnecessary use context meaning is clear.



Peace

So Old scribes removed it and modern scribes put it back? If it was unnecessary why was it there in the first place?


cross reference the phrase it does not say "preserve it"

12:12/12:63/15:9 ... وانا wa-inna له lahu لحفظون lahafizuna


Not sure what you mean by that. preserve /guard conveys the same meaning here.


Not about old manuscript on sheep skin or golden engraved disk or thumb flash drive.



So what is the preserved tablet?

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #124 on: November 27, 2019, 01:23:33 AM »

74:31 And We have made the guardians of the Fire to be angels; and We did not make their number except as a test for those who have rejected, so that those who were given the Book would understand, and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Book and the believers do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say: "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes. And none know the soldiers of your Lord except He; and it is but a reminder for human beings.

There are two groups both of whom claim to believe in the Quran being of divine origin

One group who believes "their number/count"  is just a trial/fitna for the rejecters  and seeing this fitna/trial of the rejecters their faith increases and followings happens

so that those [/color]who were given the Book would understand, and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Book and the believers do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say: "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes.

The second group who believes "their number/count"  is just a trial/fitna for the rejecters because of the mathematical structure of the Quran and their faith increases observing the mathematical miracle or the Quran not observing the fitna/trial of the rejecters.

Now the question is who  are the rejecters?

As per the same chapter of the Quran they are the ones who doubt/reject the divine origin of the Quran and says it is merely saying of a human being.

74:24 So he said: "This is nothing except the magic of old."
74:25 "This is nothing except the saying of a human being."

So this is the 3rd group who categorically reject Quran and also any miracle claimed for Quran

Now back to the first two groups(both of which accepts the divine origin of the Quran)

One of them will be saying along with the rejecters "What did God mean with an example such as this?"

and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say: "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes.


Some said since before understanding this example we need to ask the question "What did God mean with an example such as this?" we should not even try to interpret or understand this example/verse

Same Queston can be found in the following verse

2:26 God does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they say: "What does God intend with this example?" He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.

Does God forbids us to ponder over the examples ?

The following verse says every example should be pondered over.
39:27 And We have put forth for the people in this Qur'an from every example, that they may take heed.

So should we ponder over  verse 74:31 ?

--How "their number/count"  becomes fitna/test for the people who have rejected the divine orign of Quran?
--Does observing fitna/test for rejecter that increases the faith of the believers or observation related to  "their number/count" increases the faith ?

Just as an example:

I just observed the word "their number"/عِدَّتَهُمْ  is the 9th word of the verse 74:31. 74+31+9=114=19x6 .

http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(74:31:9)

However I also tried the followings which are  not multiple of 19

74319 not a multiple of 19
7+4+3+1+9=24 not a multiple of 19

So is it a fitna/test for me because I am trying to discover a pattern with number 19 divisible? Am I rejecting the divine origin of Quran?

Has anyone's faith increased by observing this  fitna?


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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #125 on: November 27, 2019, 02:09:00 PM »
So Old scribes removed it and modern scribes put it back? If it was unnecessary why was it there in the first place?

peace -- due to evolving script, see small sample below 1,000+ alifs were added later.

modern 150+ yrs old
ابكرا      ابكارا      أَبْكَارًا
ابنىكم      ابناىكم      أَبْنَآئِكُمُ
ابنىهن      ابناىهن      أَبْنَآئِهِنَّ
اتبع      اتباع      ٱتِّبَاعَ
اتحجوننا       اتحاجوننا      أَتُحَآجُّونَنَا
اتوصوا       اتواصوا      أَتَوَاصَوْا۟
اثقلتم       اثاقلتم      ٱثَّاقَلْتُمْ
اثقلكم       اثقالكم      أَثْقَالَكُمْ
اثقلها       اثقالها      أَثْقَالَهَا
اثقلهم      اثقالهم      أَثْقَالَهُمْ
اثما       اثاما      أَثَامًا
اثنن      اثنان      ٱثْنَانِ
اجرمى      اجرامى      إِجْرَامِى
اجسمهم      اجسامهم      أَجْسَامُهُمْ
احبرهم      احبارهم      أَحْبَارَهُمْ
احقبا      احقابا      أَحْقَابًا
احىكم       احىاكم      أَحْيَاكُمْ
احىها       احىاها      أَحْيَاهَا
اخبركم      اخباركم      أَخْبَارِكُمْ
اخبرها      اخبارها      أَخْبَارَهَا
اخدن       اخدان      أَخْدَانٍ
اخرج      اخراج      إِخْرَاجٍ
اخرجا      اخراجا      إِخْرَاجًا
اخرجكم      اخراجكم      إِخْرَاجِكُمْ
اخرجهم      اخراجهم      إِخْرَاجُهُمْ
اخطنا       اخطانا      أَخْطَأْنَا
اخف      اخاف      أَخَافُ
اخلفكم       اخالفكم      أُخَالِفَكُمْ
ادبركم      ادباركم      أَدْبَارِكُمْ
ادبرها      ادبارها      أَدْبَارِهَآ
ادركوا      اداركوا      ٱدَّارَكُوا۟
ادعىىهم      ادعىاىهم      أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ
اذعوا      اذاعوا      أَذَاعُوا۟
اذقهم       اذاقهم      أَذَاقَهُم
ارببا      اربابا      أَرْبَابًا
ارتبوا      ارتابوا      ٱرْتَابُوٓا۟
ارحم      ارحام      أَرْحَامُ
ارحمكم      ارحامكم      أَرْحَامُكُمْ
ارحمهن      ارحامهن      أَرْحَامِهِنَّ
اردوا      ارادوا      أَرَادُوا۟
ارذلنا       اراذلنا      أَرَاذِلُنَا
ازددوا      ازدادوا      ٱزْدَادُوا۟
ازغ       ازاغ      أَزَاغَ
اسبطا       اسباطا      أَسْبَاطًا
استبدل       استبدال      ٱسْتِبْدَالَ
استجبوا      استجابوا      ٱسْتَجَابُوا۟
استجرك      استجارك      ٱسْتَجَارَكَ
استطع      استطاع      ٱسْتَطَاعَ
استكبرا       استكبارا      ٱسْتِكْبَارًا
استكنوا       استكانوا      ٱسْتَكَانُوا۟
اسررا      اسرارا      إِسْرَارًا
اسررهم      اسرارهم      إِسْرَارَهُمْ
اسرفا      اسرافا      إِسْرَافًا
اسفرنا      اسفارنا      أَسْفَارِنَا
اسور      اساور      أَسَاوِرَ
اشتتا      اشتاتا      أَشْتَاتًا
اشرطها      اشراطها      أَشْرَاطُهَا
اشمزت       اشمازت      ٱشْمَأَزَّتْ
اشىعكم       اشىاعكم      أَشْيَاعَكُمْ
اصنم      اصنام      أَصْنَامٍ
اصنما      اصناما      أَصْنَامًا
اصوفها      اصوافها      أَصْوَافِهَا
اضعفا      اضعافا      أَضْعَافًا
اضعوا       اضاعوا      أَضَاعُوا۟
اضلنا       اضلانا      أَضَلَّانَا
اطرفها       اطرافها      أَطْرَافِهَا
اطعم      اطعام      إِطْعَامُ
اطمن      اطمان      ٱطْمَأَنَّ
اطمننتم      اطماننتم      ٱطْمَأْنَنتُمْ
اطورا       اطوارا      أَطْوَارًا
اعجز       اعجاز      أَعْجَازُ
اعرضا      اعراضا      إِعْرَاضًا
اعرضهم      اعراضهم      إِعْرَاضُهُمْ
اعقبنا      اعقابنا      أَعْقَابِنَا
اعملا      اعمالا      أَعْمَٰلًا
اعملهم      اعمالهم      أَعْمَٰلَهُمْ
اعنب      اعناب      أَعْنَابٍ
اعنق       اعناق      أَعْنَاقِ
افبعذبنا      افبعذابنا      أَفَبِعَذَابِنَا
افطل       افطال      أَفَطَالَ
افنن      افنان      أَفْنَانٍ
افوجا      افواجا      أَفْوَاجًا
اقدمكم      اقدامكم      أَقْدَامَكُمْ
اقدمنا      اقدامنا      أَقْدَامَنَا
اقطرها      اقطارها      أَقْطَارِهَا
اقمتكم      اقامتكم      إِقَامَتِكُمْ
اقموا      اقاموا      أَقَامُوا۟
اكتلوا       اكتالوا      ٱكْتَالُوا۟
اكره      اكراه      إِكْرَاهَ
اكفركم      اكفاركم      أَكُفَّارُكُمْ
اكلون       اكالون      أَكَّٰلُونَ
الابرر       الابرار      ٱلْأَبْرَارَ
الاجدث       الاجداث      ٱلْأَجْدَاثِ
الاحبر      الاحبار      ٱلْأَحْبَارِ
الاحدىث      الاحادىث      ٱلْأَحَادِيثِ
الاحزب      الاحزاب      ٱلْأَحْزَابَ
الاحزب      الاحزاب      ٱلْأَحْزَابُ
الاحمل       الاحمال      ٱلْأَحْمَالِ
الاخىر      الاخىار      ٱلْأَخْيَارِ
الاذقن       الاذقان      ٱلْأَذْقَانِ
الارحم      الارحام      ٱلْأَرْحَامُ
الارىك       الاراىك      ٱلْأَرَآئِكِ
الاسوق      الاسواق      ٱلْأَسْوَاقِ
بقربن      بقربان      بِقُرْبَانٍ
ذرعا      ذراعا      ذِرَاعًا
مقدره      مقداره      مِقْدَارُهُۥ

One group who believes "their number/count"  is just a trial/fitna for the rejecters 

no, it does not say one group who believes rather those into numerology -- period.

66:6 ... نارا fire of وقودها and fuel its الناس the people والحجره and the stone علىها over her ملىكه malaikatun (controllers/angels)

74:27 وما and what ادرك makes know you ما what سقر abyss?
74:28 لا not تبقى lets remain ولا and not تذر leave
74:29 لوحه scorching للبشر to the mortal
74:30 علىها over her تسعه nonet عشر ten [i.e. group of (19) masculine entities]
74:31 وما and not جعلنا made we of اصحب companions النار the fire الا except ملىكه malaikatan (controllers/angels)
 وما and not جعلنا made we of عدتهم count theirs (# of angels over abyss) الا except فتنه fitnatan للذىن for the ones كفروا reject they of ...


I just observed the word "their number"/عِدَّتَهُمْ  is the 9th word of the verse 74:31. 74+31+9=114=19x6 .

http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(74:31:9)

However I also tried the followings which are  not multiple of 19

74319 not a multiple of 19
7+4+3+1+9=24 not a multiple of 19

So is it a fitna/test for me because I am trying to discover a pattern with number 19 divisible? Am I rejecting the divine origin of Quran?

Has anyone's faith increased by observing this  fitna?

yes -- simple iterations hide 95% failures show 5% of hits similar nonsense with 9:128-129 or code 29 easily done.
yes -- believers back then and now don't need non-existent code can easily see their mental disorder with number.

It's a total waste of time -- peace!


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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2019, 02:39:21 AM »
peace -- due to evolving script, see small sample below 1,000+ alifs were added later.

Peace-- My question is does this addition of alif has anything to do with the way those words are recited?

yes -- simple iterations hide 95% failures show 5% of hits similar nonsense with 9:128-129 or code 29 easily done.
yes -- believers back then and now don't need non-existent code can easily see their mental disorder with number.

It's a total waste of time -- peace!

Good to know my fitna is increasing your faith.

So before this fitna was discovered the believers back then missed out on their chance to increase their faith.


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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #127 on: December 01, 2019, 10:54:54 PM »
Peace Everyone...

This book is meant mainly for the people of the Prophet and whoever surrounded in those area and specially to those who speak Arabic as a mercy and guidance…
But this particular book addresses to whomever who reads it for guidance…
When we notice it with verses like “when the End time falls upon people”.. … These type of typical verses only can be meaningful to those who live during that period to witness it and say that what is written in the book is true.. So this book in fact address everyone on common matters… for sure..
So, such a book needs its immaculate quality… God says in 2:2 .. this is a book which has no doubt/contradiction…. So, before having no doubt or contradiction in the book, the book itself should be the book which was revealed… I mean, the book should be there first in its own identity, then only we can find whether contradiction or doubts are there… if the book is altered by human inclination then definitely there is contradiction coz that is not the book which is in the main tablet…So which book we have to resort … just old torn, blemished looking pieces of paper claiming these are the oldest available quran… based on what we have to trust it…or we trust the book itself claiming (4:82) “Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction”
Whatever it is… if altered by anyone even a letter then if we think it is the book then we should find contradiction in it coz it is not the book of God in its purity… So how do we find out as a generation living very remote from the time of the book’s revelation? Options… can we depend on some remaining old copies which are kept in museums which we have no idea who wrote it … How do we make sure the quran which Mohamed wrote were the same as of what is kept in museum…Mohamed was never given the guardianship of quran and no one to be exact… Messenger’s job was to deliver the messages and not to preserve the messages.. isn’t it?… So,.. in what form? First of all as it is being revealed and in my understanding verbally… 2:285 “ …. And they say, "We hear and we obey ..”  18:1 “ Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness, straight to warn  . ….. … “
So, how the letters are written and how the verses are placed is far from reality for them… coz they hear they obey…hardly would see what is written in the book… since they believed in God and His messenger to be true.. so they trusted the messenger… We are not in such position… coz we don’t have the messenger to hear and obey..
But preserving part God took the responsibility not the messenger… 15:9 “Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it .”  ……. If God promised then it has to be something peculiar and phenomenon.. How?
Is guarding while Mohamed was alive? NO..God promised to GUARD what He revealed… why guard something? Especially a revealed statements? How He has guarded? Guarding for little time or forever … So adding and removing alifs are the action of people… So, does it mean the guarding? Burning the book… or destroying CDs of quran or killing the one who memorized… guarding not take place… Some claim some old quran are different to the one we have.. so clearly different quran from time to time.…. Guarding didn’t take place…Guarding a physical book is ridiculous….. What actually guarding by God? And Guarding for whom? For what purpose? Who will benefit? Not the people of Muhamed for sure…
If God has not guarded the book, does it mean God failed in His promise? God never fails in His promise… This strange quran is only guides those who are pure… and God guides whom He wills… So… These perfect verses suites accordingly…

56:77-79 “ it is surely a noble Quran,  in a hidden Book, none but the purified shall touch”

This amazing set of verses clarifies my mind how pure Quran is within the reach of believers.. Here ‘Touch’ doesn’t mean a physical touch in my view… it’s a kind of grasp.. reaching to the true Noble Quran which is hidden and only be reachable by purified ones….Purified ones will understand which is the exact book of God… for that God has preserved it with extraordinary numerical pattern which only purified ones will grasp it….
Otherwise no one will ever be able to say which book is in fact quran…even a letter added cannot be the quran and believing in it is waste of time…

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #128 on: December 04, 2019, 01:19:50 AM »
Salaam,



peace ibn_a, no need to show/post nineteen stuff already seen it all.
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Peace Noon waalqalami,

The post was not specifically to you.



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It’s all intended by author i.e. the words written and no coincidence “hunting” multiples...
1/7, 1/11, 1/19, 1/29, etc. you’ll get probable hits most any text, walking down street, etc.

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19 letters: 2:18 صم deaf بكم dumb عمى blind فهم so they لا not ىرجعون returning

6236 verses 1/19 ~328 expected to be multiple +/- 5% range -- why are you surprised?

Again, all trial/error 18/19 failures, 1/19 hits hunting multiples -- then present in colors.  :hail

1   [1:1]
2   [48:1]
3   [107:1]
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327   [2:250]
328   [2:257]
329   [2:273]

A few above may be off due to 1000+ alif's added to script 100+ years later, different verse numbering and nothing to do with Warsh / Hafs since they were not born at time some old manuscripts were dated. Hopefully you understand it's all statistically meaningless and expected.

Not sure what this has to do with the 19 letters of the Basmalah and the position of the 114 chapters in the Quran or the missing Basmalah,...

My post was not about how many random verses in the Quran have 19 letters, and of course why woulden't there be in the Quran verses consisting of 19 letters or whatever number of letters.

As for the " +/- 5% range, surprised and expected issue ", I do not see the relevance about it, as it is what I said previously i.e.



Peace Noon waalqalami,


Of course obvious that when there is a large amount of data, some of it could be a multiple of whatever number, no issue about that,  but that does not exclude a structure / pattern, if this was the author' s intention.

It is also logical to differentiate between that what is due to coincidence ( 1/whatever number ) and that what is intended by the Author.

Not sure about a methode to find an intended pattern wthout failures.

Logique that failures are due to the fact that the patterns / structures are no known in advance.

I do not see the relevance about the failures, as they do not disprove a possible numerical structure

Failures do not change the facts, if there are.


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The issue / question  is about intended or not.
example:

- Are  the 114 capters of the Quran intended or it just happen to be 114 ?

- Was the basmalah chosen to have 19 letters or it just happen to be 19 ?

 - Why is there no Basmalah in chapter 9 and an extra Basmalah in chapter 27, and why this 19 chapter distance?

- Are the positions of the chapters (with initial letters) assinged or could they be in any other position?

- What is  74: 30-31 about ?

- etc ....


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74:31 is about disease ... وما and not جعلنا made we of عدتهم count theirs الا except فتنه fitnatan للذىن for the ones كفروا reject they of
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If you want your explanation to make sense and considered as objective, you have also to explain why it is a "fitna" for those who disbelieve/reject
and what is the purpose of those who disbelieve/reject  by counting,
and what exactly do they disbelive in and /or reject.

And on the purpose for other groups of people to  which 74:31 refers to.
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/31/default.htm

And the reason why this number is mentioned.
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/25/



والله اعلم
Allah knows best.

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #129 on: December 04, 2019, 08:47:23 PM »
Peace-- My question is does this addition of alif has anything to do with the way those words are recited?

peace -- no difference adding alif in middle of words – read in context use cross-reference for meaning.
many words spelled same different meaning/pronunciation distinguished today using fatha, kasra, etc.

للذكر lildhakari/to the male
للذكر lildhikri/to the remembrance

ورق waraqi/leaf
بورقكم biwariqikum/with silver coin yours -- i.e. measured vs commodity فضه fiddatin/silver

So before this fitna was discovered the believers back then missed out on their chance to increase their faith.

today’s infatuation with 19 numerology or simple multiple hunting has nothing to do with 74:30-31
those who reject back then questioned: 74:30 علىها over her (it) تسعه nonet عشر ten (10) [i.e. group of 19]

likewise, there is no “wa/and” after فتنه fitnatan للذىن for the ones كفروا reject they of

لىستىقن liyastayqina/surely are convinced الذىن the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book
وىزدد wayazdada/and increased الذىن the ones امنوا believes they of اىمنا faith of
ولا and not ىرتب doubted الذىن the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book والمومنون and those believing

 ولىقول and surely sayeth الذىن the ones فى in قلوبهم hearts theirs مرض illness والكفرون and the rejecting
ماذا what hath اراد intends الله the god بهذا in this مثلا similitude of (74:30 why 19 guards over hell?)
 كذلك like such ىضل misguided الله the god من whom ىشا willed وىهدى and guided من whom ىشا willed
 وما and not ىعلم knoweth جنود soldiers ربك lord your (i.e. number of angels over hell) الا except هو he


Not sure what this has to do with the 19 letters of the Basmalah and the position of the 114 chapters

nothing – everything posted is irrelevant, why freak out over multiples?
9:128-129 one can hunt multiples as well, why not freak out at below?

91289129 = 19 x 4804691
9 + 128 + 129 = 266 (14 x 19!)

total letters 60 + 54 = 114 (6 x 19!)

19th word is Allah!
76th letter (76 = 19 x 4) is alif in Allah!

# of letters from beginning of verse to including Allah = 19!
9:129 فان so if تولوا turn they of فقل so say حسبى suffices me الله the god

19th word Allah to end of chapter 9 is multiple!
130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 = 19 x …!

19th word Allah followed by word # to end of chapter 9 is multiple!
130305 19 301 20 1305 21 1301 22 56 23 7030105 24 40062030400 25 656 26 2002 27 13070200300 28 130709001040 29 = 19 x...!

http://www.javascripter.net/math/calculators/100digitbigintcalculator.htm
(To calculate the remainder of division, use the mod button.)

peace!