Salaam,
peace,
Not about different readings see oldest manuscripts time of revelation.
consistently don’t number initials, etc. rearrangement 100+ years later.
Peace Noon,
Not about man made or rearranged , rather variations (i.e. cutting the same text in verses) of an original source.
Example: The
length of verse 31 compared to other verses in chapter 74.
(what was the source ?), why not cut verse 31 into more verses?
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
يايها المدثر﴿1﴾ قم فانذر﴿2﴾ وربك فكبر﴿3﴾ وثيابك فطهر ﴿4﴾ والرجز فاهجر ﴿5﴾ ولا تمنن تستكثر ﴿6﴾ ولربك فاصبر﴿7﴾ فاذا نقر في الناقور﴿8﴾ فذلك يوميذ يوم عسير ﴿9﴾ علي الكفرين غير يسير﴿10﴾ذرني ومن خلقت وحيدا﴿11﴾وجعلت له مالا ممدودا﴿12﴾ وبنين شهودا ﴿13﴾ ومهدت له تمهيدا﴿14﴾ ثم يطمع ان ازيد ﴿15﴾ كلا انه كان لايتنا عنيدا ﴿16﴾ سارهقه صعودا ﴿17﴾انه فكر وقدر﴿18﴾ فقتل كيف قدر ﴿18﴾ ثم قتل كيف قدر ﴿20﴾ ثم نظر﴿21﴾ ثم عبس وبسر﴿22﴾ ثم ادبر واستكبر﴿23﴾ فقال ان هذا الا سحر يوثر﴿24﴾ ان هذا الا قول البشر ﴿25﴾ساصليه سقر﴿26﴾ وما ادريك ما سقر ﴿27﴾ لا تبقي ولا تذر ﴿28﴾ لواحه للبشر ﴿28﴾ عليها تسعه عشر ﴿30﴾ وما جعلنا اصحب النار الا مليكه وما جعلنا عدتهم الا فتنه للذين كفروا ليستيقن الذين اوتوا الكتب ويزداد الذين امنوا ايمنا ولا يرتاب الذين اوتوا الكتب والمومنون وليقول الذين في قلوبهم مرض والكفرون ماذا اراد الله بهذا مثلا كذلك يضل الله من يشا ويهدي من يشا وما يعلم جنود ربك الا هو وما هي الا ذكري للبشر﴿31﴾ كلا والقمر﴿32﴾واليل اذ ادبر﴿33﴾ والصبح اذا اسفر﴿34﴾ انها لاحدي الكبر ﴿35﴾ نذيرا للبشر ﴿36﴾ لمن شا منكم ان يتقدم او يتاخر ﴿37﴾ كل نفس بما كسبت رهينه ﴿38﴾ الا اصحب اليمين ﴿38﴾ في جنت يتسالون ﴿40﴾ عن المجرمين ﴿41﴾ ما سلككم في سقر ﴿42﴾ قالوا لم نك من المصلين ﴿43﴾ ولم نك نطعم المسكين ﴿44﴾ وكنا نخوض مع الخايضين ﴿45﴾ وكنا نكذب بيوم الدين﴿46﴾ حتي اتينا اليقين ﴿47﴾ فما تنفعهم شفعه الشفعين ﴿48﴾ فما لهم عن التذكره معرضين ﴿48﴾ كانهم حمر مستنفره﴿50﴾ فرت من قسوره ﴿51﴾ بل يريد كل امري منهم ان يوتي صحفا منشره ﴿52﴾ كلا بل لا يخافون الاخره ﴿53﴾ كلا انه تذكره ﴿54﴾ فمن شا ذكره ﴿55﴾ وما يذكرون الا ان يشا الله هو اهل التقوي واهل المغفره ﴿56﴾
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An example of variations( cutting the same text in verses ) :
See manuscript you posted in and see manuscripts i posted here;
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610157.msg423891#msg423891------
Example: Initial letters (in 29 chapters ) separated in first verse in 19 chapters, and part of first verse in 10 chapters. (what was the source ?), why not all saparated or all part of first verse?
Also answered about initials :
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610099.msg415581#msg415581-------
Example: The spelling of the name IBRAHEEM
ابرهم in chapter 2 (15 occurrences ) without "ya
ي" , and with "ya
ي" in the rest of the Quran (54 occurrences), if the spelling of the name IBRAHEEM in original manuscript was with "ya
ي" , why was the spelling changed only in chapter 2 and not in the 24 other chapters.
It is more likely that original was spelled without "ya
ي" in chapter 2 and with "ya
ي" in the 24 other chapters, and that some scribes added the letter "ya
ي" in chapter 2 to conform to the rest of the manuscript, "thinking they were correcting an error" of previous scribes, while this particular spelling seems intended.
In some "oldest manuscripts" with "ya
ي"and in others whithout "ya
ي" in chapter 2.
https://corpuscoranicum.de/-------
الذكر l-dhik'ra/the reminder not manuscript of evolving script.
Could you explain
what is
" الذكر l-dhik'ra/the reminder" and
how it is preserved.
this refers to the book’s "contents" and not structure.
3:99, 7:45, 786, 11:19, 14:3, 18:1 عوجا crookedness of
Yes, also possible explanation.
not about man-made verse numbers or non-existent code.
Could you explain, refer to what?41:41-42
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/41/https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/42/56:77-78
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/56/77/https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/56/78/72:28
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/72/28/75:17-18-19
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/75/17/https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/75/18/https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/75/19/85:21 -22
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/85/21/https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/85/22/74:31 وما and not جعلنا made we of عدتهم count theirs الا except فتنه infatuation (trial)
- 19 referring to a numerical structure as an answer in ( 74:30-31 ) to those claiming " human words" in 74:25 and
fitna /
difficulty /
trial for those who disbelieve/ reject,
certainty for some,
increasing in faith for others and
no doubt for others.
It does not seem a satisfying answer, to those who claim " human words" in 74:25 to
reveal a number without other meaning.
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/25/default.htmhttps://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/30/default.htmhttps://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/31/default.htmbooks/hadith, chapters, door numbers, etc. have multiples that people freak out!
?
Ok exactly 19 letters below 19th verse if include chapter title.
2:18 صم deaf بكم dumb عمى blind فهم so they لا not ىرجعون returning
The basmalah has 19 letters and is repeated 114 times.
Why would that exclude other verses consisting of 19 letters.
Ok, try start counting from chapter 1 or 8 or backwards from 114.
There is no link here ( chapter 1 and 8 ) , link between chapter 9 and 27 i.e.
missing basmalah,
extra basmalah.
Ok, and they do not consistently include perhaps code 27 since it's 2nd or 27th occurrence!
Not coincidence hunt and hide failed trials only show hits!
Inconceivable how an
objective person can say "coincidence" about this, it is to obvious, and that is also the reason why some try
to cover up this number 19 by claiming 113 chapters, 20-23 letters in the basmalah, etc ....
Facts:The Quran
clearly mentioned this
number 19 as a response to
the claim " Human words 74: 25"-The Quran has 114 chapters : 114 =
19 x 6.
-The Basmalah occurs 114 times, despite its absence in chapter
9 it occurs
twice in chapter
27-The basmala has
19 letters
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم- From the missing Basmalah in chapter
9 to the inside Basmalah in chapter
27, there are
19 chapters
-
Number 9 is mentioned in
two verses in chapter
27, each at a
19- verse distance from the inside basmalah(
Number 9 is mentioned only 4 times in the Quran, so it is very unlikely that this
two occurrences of number 9 in chapter
27 at a
19- verse distance from the inside basmalah are the result of a coincidence)
-The
19 th chapter from the end of the Quran has
19 verses.
- There is
only one chapter in the Quran that ends with the name "
Allah " , this chapter has
19 verses
and this is the
19 th occurrance of the name"
Allah " from the end of the Quran.
Ok, and there are 98 (not multiple) verses in 19th chapter from beginning.
More subtle, i.e. the Quran uses 77 different numbers for the total verses of the chapters :
From largest to smallest, chapter 19 ( 98 verses) is the
19 th:
286 -- 227 -- 206 -- 200 -- 182 -- 176 -- 165 -- 135 -- 129 -- 128 -- 123 -- 120 -- 118 -- 112 -- 111 -- 110 -- 109 -- 99 --
98 -- 96 -- 93 -- 89 -- 88 -- 85 -- 83 -- 78 -- 77 -- 75 -- 73 -- 69 -- 64 -- 62 -- 60 -- 59 -- 56 -- 55 -- 54 -- 53 -- 52 -- 50 -- 49 -- 46 -- 45 -- 44 -- 43 -- 42 -- 40 -- 38 -- 37 -- 36 -- 35 -- 34 -- 31 -- 30 -- 29 -- 28 -- 26 -- 25 -- 24 -- 22 -- 21 -- 20 -- 19 --18 -- 17 -- 15 -- 14 -- 13 -- 12 -- 11 -- 9 -- 8 -- 7 -- 6 -- 5 -- 4 -- 3
30 / 19 = 1.57894736842
try add sums all occurrences 5% probability.
Each person would have a different request.
from beginning 19th is 2:60 رزق provision الله the god
from end 19th occurrence 101:0 بسم in name الله the god
from beginning start verse i.e. 7th 2:15 الله the god
Not only about 19, numerous other examples in the name "
Allah" in the Quran.
16 or 128 is not multiple nor has to do with code.
Not about code, about chapter
16 and the number of
chromosomes of honey bee.
Read more here...
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610157.0
try adding/deleting even # of verses to any odd ch 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, etc.
Why so careful, add/delete randomly.
Ok small chapter some say last revealed.
1. show which chapter it is use code whatever?
2. show how it is protected use code whatever?
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/110/vers/1?handschrift=481
Not sure if there is, consider also that what is discovered is only a part, and some results contain errors, exaggerations and coincidences.
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والله اعلم
Allah knows best.
