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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2018, 11:51:14 PM »

Salaam,




The 19 verses which consist of 19 different letters

count    chapter    verse
      
1                  3         187
2                  6         19
3                             114
4                             161
5                  7         134
6                             149
7                10          14
8                92
9                94
10              12         32
11                           33
12              13         41
13              16         81
14              20         58
15              31         23
16              39         65
17              41         22
18              61         5
19              64         6
                   =          =
sum              323         1330
   



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The 19 verses which consist of 19 different letters

count    chapter    verse
      
1                  3         187
2                  6         19
3                             114
4                             161
5                  7         134
6                             149
7                10          14
8                             92
9                             94
10              12         32
11                           33
12              13         41
13              16         81
14              20         58
15              31         23
16              39         65
17              41         22
18              61         5
19              64         6
                   =          =
sum              323         1330
   






Some people will say "so what"?
Some people will say !wow"!!!
Some people will mock, some people will be amazed.
full
So that also explains why surah "N" has 133 N s.

WOW that is amazing.
Praise be to GOD ,Author of Qoran and Lord of the universe.

Watch  for those that try to imitate a tiny bit of the 19 miracle with today s  computer ,then claim it is simple numerology.
The challenge from the Author is ongoing even to the next generation of quantum computers.
Well, each to their choice .
GOD bless.
Peace.
Thanks for your reply.
In chapter 68 i count 132 letters Nun(N) ن with the basmalah  , or 131 without the basmalah.



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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2018, 02:17:32 AM »
Peace brother.
133 as far as I counted. NUN at the beginning of the surah, has 2 N s Why? because GOD in his wisdom has not named younes in the two verses you are talking about for the following 2 reasons:
1- To show us that Nun in surah 68 is spelled with 2 N s.
2- God has not named "younes" but "Sahibi Al Hut" to not make the count 134. a deliberate wording from the author to keep the count of N s accurate .
And there is your reason for the two different ways of calling younes.
Also ,the double N s words in Qoran match surah 68 count of 133 and are deliberate to confirm the initial N of the surah is spelled with 2 N s.
My understanding and counting brother.
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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2018, 08:53:52 AM »
Salaam,


Peace brother.
133 as far as I counted. NUN at the beginning of the surah, has 2 N s Why? because GOD in his wisdom has not named younes in the two verses you are talking about for the following 2 reasons:
1- To show us that Nun in surah 68 is spelled with 2 N s.
2- God has not named "younes" but "Sahibi Al Hut" to not make the count 134. a deliberate wording from the author to keep the count of N s accurate .
And there is your reason for the two different ways of calling younes.
Also ,the double N s words in Qoran match surah 68 count of 133 and are deliberate to confirm the initial N of the surah is spelled with 2 N s.
My understanding and counting brother.
Thanks.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

- That seems an interesting observation, but doesn't that contradict with God's  promise to preserve the Quran?

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15:9    Indeed, We We have sent down the Reminder, and indeed, We of it (are) surely Guardians.

41:41  Indeed, those who disbelieve in the Reminder when it comes to them. And indeed, it (is) surely a Book mighty.
41:42  Not comes to it the falsehood from before it and not from behind it. A Revelation from (the) All-Wise, (the) Praiseworthy.

85:21 Nay! It (is) a Quran Glorious,
85:22 In a Tablet, Guarded.

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- My understanding of these verses is that the Quran we have today is preserved.


- There could be another explanation for  chapter 68 having 132 letters Nun(N)  ن  with the basmalah,  or 131 without the basmalah.


-Is there an existing or older Quran or manuscript where the initial letters in chapter 68  is spelled with 2 N s ?

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2018, 09:05:32 AM »
Interesting observations about the words with double Nun (NN) نن in the Quran :

In the Quran there are 142 words with double Nun (NN) نن in 133 verses

Correct # of words 142 / 19 = 7.47 not multiple!?

Chapter 68 consistently spelled with a single (N) ن in oldest manuscripts.
 
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/68/vers/1?handschrift=163

link with translation: https://s15.postimg.cc/in4af2a3f/ch67v25_-_ch68v21.jpg

btw, all this is statistically meaningless i.e.
1) get an idea
2) peruse different combinations of "any" text
3) show only 1/19 hits and hide 18/19 failures

peace!

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2018, 03:31:33 PM »
The way Qoran is preserved is through its mathematical composition.
Interlock does this.  Every letter, word sentence and chapter are locked mathematically and this check agrees with the hafs version of Qoran.
This renders any other manuscript as the ones with spelling mistakes.
Thanks brother.
GOD bless.
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2018, 08:29:10 PM »
The way Qoran is preserved is through its mathematical composition.
Interlock does this.  Every letter, word sentence and chapter are locked mathematically and this check agrees with the hafs version of Qoran.
This renders any other manuscript as the ones with spelling mistakes.

Peace good logic, you keep posting stuff that you nor anyone else can prove, why?

OK show using code/interlock, call friends, etc. 1st word 72:16 وان لو or والو ?

Is it spelled with ن as in older manuscripts ? not sure if these are hafs/warsh, etc.?

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/72/vers/16?handschrift=56
see manuscript 3rd line with N وان لو

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/72/vers/16?handschrift=480
see manuscript 4th line with N وان لو

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/72/vers/16?handschrift=170
see manuscript 11th line with N وان لو

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/72/vers/16?handschrift=24
see manuscript 12th/last line with N وان لو 

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/72/vers/16?handschrift=163
see manuscript 21st line with N وان لو

link with translation: https://s15.postimg.cc/hrdbg1asr/ch72v1_-_18.jpg

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2018, 12:10:02 AM »
Peace brother Noon.
We keep going back and forth with this conversation.
I am saying ,all along my argument about the mathematical composition of the original Qoran, that I have my proof/evidence according to my own checking.
I am providing my understanding/views and you are providing your brought forth old manuscripts. Both our findings/views need to be checked.

You also know that any manuscript, unless proven to be the original Qoran, could differ in spelling of certain words like hafs and warsh do. Just how are you checking your mushaf? Or are you relying on carbon dating/history?

I am saying I am checking mine with interlock. I have the tools that lock every letter, word, sentence and chapter into place, just like the Author of Qoran planned its preservation. Mathematically composed for certainty that it is the original Qoran. Preserved as such.
https://submission.org/verify_are_all_Arabic_versions_of_Quran_the_same.html
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2018, 12:24:44 AM »
Salam,

Just to jump in here, Sura 68 has 132 "N".

This argument that "N" at the beginning is spelt "NwN" is nonsense as a) it contradicts the spelling of all other individual letters in all other initialed Suras, and b) there is no evidence in any of the oldest manuscripts of such a spelling.

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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2018, 12:41:36 AM »
Thank you brother layth for your view.

Like I said to brother Noon earlier in my post:
Just how do you prove any mushaf is the original copy with all the right spelling?

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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2018, 12:58:46 AM »
Also brother,, there is no "N"in other initiated surahs on their own.
I am saying GOD wanted to spell NUN insurah 68 for the reasons explained ,like some rules that we think are the norm are broken by the author of Qoran regarding the spelling of certain words like withholding the name of younes  in the verses discussed here...etc. according to my findings and deduction.
For me the mathematical composition explains certain anomalies that no one can solve/prove in the different spellings of certain words and  the letter N  in mushafs.
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