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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2018, 09:18:45 AM »
I get 23 times as 3isaa Ibnu Maryam and six just as 3isaa

three  times as al masih and three times as al Masih ibnu Maryam

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2018, 10:38:20 AM »
I get 23 times as 3isaa Ibnu Maryam and six just as 3isaa

three  times as al masih and three times as al Masih ibnu Maryam

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Salaam,



9 times
Jesus   3isaa      عيسي       
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2:136
3:52  3:55   3:59    3:84
4:163
6:85
42:13
43:63


13 times
Jesus son of Mary         3isaa Ibnu Maryam            عيسي ابن مريم     
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2:87
2:253
5:46   5:78   5:110   5:112   5:114   5:116
19:34
33:7
57:27
61:6     61:14



3 times
The Messiah Jesus son of Mary          al Masih 3isaa ibnu Maryam          المسيح عيسي ابن مريم
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3:45
4:157    4:171


Total 25 times.

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2018, 11:40:12 AM »
3isa with ibnu Maryama or without 25 times

Al masih ibnu Maryam  no 3isa three times

Ibnu Maryama no masih no 3isa one time

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2018, 12:35:44 AM »
3isa with ibnu Maryama or without 25 times

Al masih ibnu Maryam  no 3isa three times

Ibnu Maryama no masih no 3isa one time

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Bold: that is what is counted.


Salaam,


What is counted, are  the occurrences of the word " Jesus   3isaa      عيسي " regardless of the title:
 " Messiah   al Masih    المسيح " or  "son of Mary  ibnu Maryam       ابن مريم ".


- Occurrences of the word "Jesus" in the  Quran = 25 times.

- Occurrences of the word "Adam"  in the  Quran = 25 times.

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2018, 12:34:27 AM »
Salaam,



... twelve months in the book of Allah ...

is the literally meaning of:

... ithna AAashara shahran fee kitabi Allah ...

... اثنا عشر شهرا في كتب الله ...

From chapter 9 verse 36

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The triliteral root shīn hā rā (ش ه ر) " month " occurs 21 times in the Quran as the noun shahr (شهر ).
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=%24hr


- 12 times in singular form.

- 2 times in dual form.

- 7 times in plural form.


                                            Singular

Count   Chapter verse    Arabic word    Transliteration
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1                2:185                شهر                     shahr
2                2:185               الشهر                    al-shahr
3                2:194                الشهر                   al-shahr
4                2:194               بالشهر                    bil-shahr
5                2:217                الشهر                   al-shahr
6                5:2                   الشهر                    al-shahr
7                5:97                 والشهر                   wal-shahr
8                9:36                 شهرا                     shahran
9               34:12                 شهر                    shahr
10             34:12                 شهر                    shahr
11             46:15                شهرا                    shahran
12             97:3                  شهر                     shahr

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                                          Dual

Count   Chapter verse    Arabic word    Transliteration
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1                 4:92                   شهرين               shahrayn
2                 58:4                   شهرين               shahrayn

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                                       Plural

Count   Chapter verse    Arabic word    Transliteration
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1              2:197                    اشهر                     ashhur
2              2:226                    اشهر                     ashhur
3              2:234                    اشهر                     ashhur
4              9:2                        اشهر                     ashhur
5              9:5                      الاشهر                     al-ashhur
6              9:36                    الشهور                     al-shuhūr
7              65:4                     اشهر                      ashhur


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note:

In 9:36, 46:15 and 97:3,
the meaning (and translation ) is plural but the word " month" ( شهر , شهرا ) in arabic is singular

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Some examples from the Quran where the meaning is plural but the word in arabic is singular:

2:51
Forty night(s). The word " night" ( ليله ) in arabic is singular.

arbaAAeena laylatan

اربعين ليله

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29:14
Thousand year(s). The word " year" ( سنه ) in arabic is singular.

alfa sanatin

الف سنه
...

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Objective conclusion:

3 ways of counting the word "month(s)":

- 21 occurrences of the word "month(s)" in all forms.

- 12 occurrences of the word "month" in singular form.

- 9 occurrences of the word "month" in singular meaning.


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source:
http://www.alargam.com/prove2/burhan4/3.htm
www.alargam.com/prove2/burhan4/
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=%24hr


   

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2018, 07:35:57 AM »
Salaam,



The name "Allah" followed by the word loves يحب ( yuhibbu ) is mentioned 16 times in the Qur'an.

           الله يحب             Allah loves                Allah  yuhibbu
 
2:195     2:222      3:76     3:134     3:146     3:148     3:159     5:13   
5:42       5:93        9:4         9:7       9:108      49:9      60:8       61:4     

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The opposite:

The name "Allah" followed by the words ( does ) not love لا يحب ( la yuhibbu ) is mentioned 16 times in the Qur'an.

 الله لا يحب            Allah does not love            Allah la yuhibbu
 
2:190     2:205     2:276     3:32     3:57     3:140     4:36     4:107

5:64      5:87       8:58     22:38    28:76    28:77     31:18    57:23

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note:
The folllowing 2 verses ( 3:31, 4:148 ) in the Qur'an, seem to mark a difference with the 2 ? 16 other occurrences.

    - 1 -

In a different form and word order:

" Allah will love you " is mentioned one time in 3:31 , the words used here are:   يحببكم الله


    يحببكم الله                    <--difference-->           الله يحب

    yuhbibkumu Allah                                       Allah yuhibbu

    Allah will love you                                       Allah loves
       
    1 time                                                            16 times
       

3:31 Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." - (Y. Ali)

Qul in kuntum tuhibboona Allaha faittabiAAoonee yuhbibkumu Allahu wayaghfir lakum thunoobakum waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun

قل ان كنتم تحبون الله فاتبعوني يحببكم الله ويغفر لكم ذنوبكم والله غفور رحيم

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    - 2 -

The same meaning " Allah does not love "
is mentioned another time in the Qur'an, in 4:148 , the same words , but in a different order :
لا يحب الله


    لا يحب الله                 <--difference-->         الله لا يحب

    la yuhibbu Allah                                        Allah la yuhibbu
    not does love Allah                                  Allah does not love

    1 time                                                         16 times


4:148 Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things. (Y. Ali)

La yuhibbu Allahu aljahra bialssooi mina alqawli illa man thulima wakana Allahu sameeAAan AAaleeman

لا يحب الله الجهر بالسو من القول الا من ظلم وكان الله سميعا عليما

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Conclusion:

    الله يحب               <--opposite-->           الله لا يحب

    Allah yuhibbu                                    Allah la yuhibbu
    Allah loves                                        Allah does not love

    16 times                                                16 times

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    الله لا يحب                                                      يحببكم الله   

    yuhbibkumu Allah                            la yuhibbu Allah
    Allah will love you                           not does love Allah

     1 time                                                 1 time




source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJvulk2cZvU
11:10 min

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2018, 01:49:14 AM »
Salaam,





Conclusion:

    الله يحب               <--opposite-->           الله لا يحب

    Allah yuhibbu                                    Allah la yuhibbu
    Allah loves                                        Allah does not love

    16 times                                                16 times

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  الله لا يحب                                                     يحببكم الله    ?

    yuhbibkumu Allah                            la yuhibbu Allah
    Allah will love you                           not does love Allah

     1 time                                                 1 time
?

 ?  Sorry for this error, should be:

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        لا يحب الله                              يحببكم الله   
 
    yuhbibkumu Allah                            la yuhibbu Allah
    Allah will love you                           not does love Allah

     1 time                                                 1 time



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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2018, 03:06:26 AM »
Salaam,

aha.

Salaam.

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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2018, 09:29:32 AM »
Salaam,



Some words in the Quran are spelled in a "particular way",

example:

In 21:88 the word NUNJY نُـۨجِى ( translated as: We save / We deliver ) is spelled with one Nun(N) ن ,
and with an extra Nun(N) ن on top of the word (for reading / recitation purpose), while in the rest of the Quran it is spelled NUNJY ننجي with double Nun (NN) نن

21:88 So We responded to him, and We saved him from the distress. And thus We save the believers.

In the " Uthmanic script "( Rasm al Uthmani ) of the Quran ( before the diacritics for reading purpose were added ),
 there is no Nun(N) ن on top of the word  NUNJY نُـۨجِى

The word is spelled as:

NJY ............... نجي

Nun (N) ن   Jim (J) ج     Ya (Y) ي



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In the preceding verse ( 21:87 ) there seems to be an indication about the particular spelling of this word.
This verse contains the expression : and Dha-Nun و ذا النون ; litteral meaning: the one with the Nun(N) ن

21:87 And Dha-Nun when he went (while) angry and thought that never We would decree upon him. Then he called in the darkness(es) that, "(There is) no god except You, Glory be to You! Indeed, I am of the wrongdoers."

Commentators of the Quran say that " Dha-Nun" is referring to Yunus (Jonah).

The name Yunus is mentioned 4 times in the Quran:

4:163 6:86 10:98 37:139


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Another reference to Yunus in 68:48 as Sahibi Alhoot ( the companion of the fish / him of the fish ).

- Chapter 68 has the initial letter Nun(N) ن

Interesting how the Quran does not name Yunus (Jonah), but refer to him as:

Dha-Nun ( the one with the Nun(N) ) and as Sahibi Alhoot ( the companion of the fish / him of the fish )


68:48 So be patient for (the) decision (of) your Lord, and (do) not be like (the) companion (of) the fish, when he called out, while he (was) distressed.


All this draws attention to the letter Nun(N) ن


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Interesting observations about the words with double Nun (NN) نن in the Quran :

In the Quran there are 142 words with double Nun (NN) نن in 133 verses

133 = 19 ? 7

If the word NUNJY نُـۨجِى was not spelled in this " particular way ", the number of verses with double Nun (NN) نن would not be a multiple of 19


More observations:

From these 133 verses only one verse is numbered 19 ( in chapter 6)

- and it is in this verse that the 19 th occurance of the words with double Nun (NN) نن is mentioned

- and this verse consists of 19 different letters

ا . ب . ت .ح .خ . د . ذ . ر . ش .ع .غ . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي

- and has 133 total letters.

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From these 133 verses there are 19 verses which consist of 19 different letters each.

The sum of these 19 verse numbers is 1330

1330 = 19 ? 70

And the sum of the chapter numbers in which these 19 verses occur is 323

323 = 19 ? 17

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The 19 verses which consist of 19 different letters

count    chapter    verse
      
1                  3         187
2                  6         19
3                             114
4                             161
5                  7         134
6                             149
7                10          14
8                92
9                94
10              12         32
11                           33
12              13         41
13              16         81
14              20         58
15              31         23
16              39         65
17              41         22
18              61         5
19              64         6
                   =          =
sum         323       1330
   


chapter verse          arabic text - the 19 different letters - English translation

3:187    و اذ اخذ الله ميثق الذين اوتوا الكتب لتبيننه للناس و لا تكتمونه فنبذوه ورا ظهورهم و اشتروا به ثمنا قليلا فبيس ما يشترون
      ا . ب . ت . ث . ج . ذ . ر . س . ش . ظ . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي

      And when Allah took a Covenant (from) those who were given the Book, "You certainly make it clear to the mankind and (do) not conceal it. Then they threw it behind their backs and they exchanged [with] it (for) a little price. And wretched (is) what they purchase.

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6:19    قل اي شي اكبر شهده قل الله شهيد بيني و بينكم و اوحي الي هذا القران لانذركم به و من بلغ اينكم لتشهدون ان مع الله الهه اخري قل لا اشهد قل انما هو اله وحد و انني بري مما تشركون
      ا . ب . ت .ح .خ . د . ذ . ر . ش .ع .غ . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      Say, "What thing (is) greatest (as) a testimony?" Say, "Allah (is) Witness between me and between you, and has been revealed to me this [the] Quran that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches. Do you truly testify that with Allah (there are) gods other?" Say, "I (do) not testify." Say, "Only He (is) One God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate (with Him).

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6:114    افغير الله ابتغي حكما و هو الذي انزل اليكم الكتب مفصلا و الذين اتينهم الكتب يعلمون انه منزل من ربك بالحق فلا تكونن من الممترين
      ا . ب . ت . ح . ذ . ر . ز . ص .ع .غ . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      Then is (it) other than Allah I seek (as) judge, while He (is) the One Who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail? And those (to) whom We gave them the Book, they know that it (is) sent down from your Lord in truth, so (do) not be among the ones who doubt.

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6:161    قل انني هديني ربي الي صرط مستقيم دينا قيما مله ابرهيم حنيفا و ما كان من المشركين
      ا . ب . ت .ح . د . ر . س . ش . ص . ط . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      Say, "Indeed (as for) me, has guided me my Lord to a straight path - a religion right, religion (of) Ibrahim - a true monotheist. And not he was from the polytheists.

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7:134    و لما وقع عليهم الرجز قالوا يموسي ادع لنا ربك بما عهد عندك لين كشفت عنا الرجز لنومنن لك و لنرسلن معك بني اسريل
      ا . ب . ت .ج . د . ر . ز . س . ش .ع . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      And when fell on them the punishment, they said, "O Musa! Invoke for us your Lord by what He has promised to you. If you remove from us the punishment surely, we will believe [for] you and surely, we will send with you (the) Children (of) Israel.

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7:149    و لما سقط في ايديهم و راوا انهم قد ضلوا قالوا لين لم يرحمنا ربنا و يغفر لنا لنكونن من الخسرين
      ا . ب . ح . خ . د . ر . س . ض . ط . غ . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      And when they were regretful and they saw that they (had) indeed gone astray, they said, "If Our Lord does not have Mercy on us and forgive [for] us, we will surely be among the losers."

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10:14    ثم جعلنكم خليف في الارض من بعدهم لننظر كيف تعملون
      ا . ب . ت . ث . ج . خ . د . ر . ض . ظ . ع . ف . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      Then We made you successors in the earth after them so that We may see how you do.

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10:92    فاليوم ننجيك ببدنك لتكون لمن خلفك ايه و ان كثيرا من الناس عن ايتنا لغفلون
      ا . ب . ت . ث . ج . خ . د . ر . س . ع . غ . ف . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      So today We will save you in your body, that you may be for (those) who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the mankind of Our Signs (are) surely heedless.

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10:94    فان كنت في شك مما انزلنا اليك فسل الذين يقرون الكتب من قبلك لقد جاك الحق من ربك فلا تكونن من الممترين
      ا . ب . ت . ج . ح . د . ذ . ر . ز . س . ش . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . و . ي
      So if you are in doubt of what We have revealed to you, then ask those who (have been) reading the Book before you. Verily, has come to you the truth from your Lord, so (do) not be among the doubters.

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12:32    قالت فذلكن الذي لمتنني فيه و لقد رودته عن نفسه فاستعصم و لين لم يفعل ما امره ليسجنن و ليكونا من الصغرين
      ا . ت . ج . د . ذ . ر . س . ص . ع . غ . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      She said, "That (is) the one, you blamed me about him. And certainly I sought to seduce him, [from] [himself] but he saved himself, and if not he does what I order him, surely, he will be imprisoned and certainly will be of those who brought low.

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12:33    قال رب السجن احب الي مما يدعونني اليه و الا تصرف عني كيدهن اصب اليهن و اكن من الجهلين
      ا . ب . ت . ج . ح . د . ر . س . ص . ع . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      He said, "My Lord, the prison (is) dearer to me than what they invite me to it. And unless You turn away from me their plot I might incline towards them and be of the ignorant."

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13:41    اولم يروا انا ناتي الارض ننقصها من اطرافها و الله يحكم لا معقب لحكمه و هو سريع الحساب
      ا . ب . ت . ح . ر . س . ص . ض . ط . ع . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      Did not they see that We come (to) the land, reducing it from its borders? And Allah judges; (there is) no adjuster (of) His Judgment. And He (is) Swift (in) the reckoning.

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16:81    و الله جعل لكم مما خلق ظللا و جعل لكم من الجبال اكننا و جعل لكم سربيل تقيكم الحر و سربيل تقيكم باسكم كذلك يتم نعمته عليكم لعلكم تسلمون
      ا . ب . ت . ج . ح . خ . ذ . ر . س . ظ . ع . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      And Allah (has) made for you from what He created, shades and (has) made for you from the mountains, shelters and (has) made for you garments to protect you (from) the heat and garments to protect you from your (mutual) violence. Thus He completes His Favor upon you so that you may submit

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20:58    فلناتينك بسحر مثله فاجعل بيننا و بينك موعدا لا نخلفه نحن و لا انت مكانا سوي
      ا . ب . ت . ث . ج . ح . خ . د . ر . س . ع . ف . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      Then we will surely produce for you magic like it. So make between us and between you an appointment, not we will fail it [we] and not you, (in) a place even.

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31:23    و من كفر فلا يحزنك كفره الينا مرجعهم فننبيهم بما عملوا ان الله عليم بذات الصدور
      ا . ب . ت . ج . ح . د . ذ . ر . ز . ص . ع . ف . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      And whoever disbelieves, let not grieve you his disbelief. To Us (is) their return, then We will inform them of what they did. Indeed, Allah (is) the All-Knower of what (is in) the breasts.

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39:65    و لقد اوحي اليك و الي الذين من قبلك لين اشركت ليحبطن عملك و لتكونن من الخسرين
      ا . ب . ت . ح . خ . د . ذ . ر . س . ش . ط . ع . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . و . ي
      And verily, it has been revealed to you and to those who (were) before you, if you associate (with Allah) surely, will become worthless your deeds and you will surely be among the losers.

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41:22    و ما كنتم تستترون ان يشهد عليكم سمعكم و لا ابصركم و لا جلودكم و لكن ظننتم ان الله لا يعلم كثيرا مما تعملون
      ا . ب . ت . ث . ج . د . ر . س . ش . ص . ظ . ع . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      And not you were covering yourselves lest testify against you your hearing and not your sight and not your skins, but you assumed that Allah (does) not know much of what you do.

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61:5    و اذ قال موسي لقومه يقوم لم توذونني و قد تعلمون اني رسول الله اليكم فلما زاغوا ازاغ الله قلوبهم و الله لا يهدي القوم الفسقين
      ا . ب . ت . د . ذ . ر . ز . س . ع . غ . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي
      And when said Musa to his people, "O my people! Why do you hurt me while certainly you know that I am (the) Messenger of Allah to you?" Then when they deviated, Allah caused their hearts to deviate. And Allah (does) not guide the people, the defiantly disobedient.

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64:6    ذلك بانه كانت تاتيهم رسلهم بالبينت فقالوا ابشر يهدوننا فكفروا و تولوا و استغني الله و الله غني حميد
      ا . ب . ت . ح . د . ذ . ر . س . ش . غ . ف . ق . ك . ل . م . ن . ه . و . ي

      That (is) because had come to them their Messengers with clear proofs, but they said, "Shall human beings guide us?" So they disbelieved and turned away. And Allah can do without them. And Allah (is) Self-sufficient, Praiseworthy.
      




Source:

-The software to count verses , words and letters,....( Arabic)

http://www.kaheel7.com/ar/index.php/...07-03-19-11-02
or
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o...RGYS1ORlk/view

-Quran : Uthmani Script.

والله اعلم
Allah knows best.


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Re: ... And He has counted everything in numbers ...
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2018, 11:48:48 AM »
Some people will say "so what"?
Some people will say !wow"!!!
Some people will mock, some people will be amazed.
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So that also explains why surah "N" has 133 N s.

WOW that is amazing.
Praise be to GOD ,Author of Qoran and Lord of the universe.

Watch  for those that try to imitate a tiny bit of the 19 miracle with today s  computer ,then claim it is simple numerology.
The challenge from the Author is ongoing even to the next generation of quantum computers.
Well, each to their choice .
GOD bless.
Peace.
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