... And He has counted everything in numbers ...

[Noon waalqalami]

Every angle of interlock has been explained by brother Bahman

peace, he was clueless freaked out at every multiple called it interlock.

[good logic]

Peace Noon.
I have done my study separately abnd my own checking and  I have had a look at Abdullah Arik s "beyond probability".
I have spent years looking at all the so called multiples and number patterns and interlock.
Small example here:
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_1/beyond_probability_(P1317).html

 I am saying I have no doubt Qoran is mathematically structured .Deliberate and with perfection by The Author of Qoran

Are you saying you proved every fact  wrong?
Are you saying there is no 19 pattern at all?
 
Or are you saying the ones that exist are just 1/19 chance and Coincidence?
Or are you saying because you can imitate some sentences, and I have seen many of your so called imitations, it is no big deal?
I am simply saying, I really do not understand you brother?

Remember in the late 70s when the whole Islamic world was championing this so called Miracle? You know what happened when they discovered that their hadiths are idol worship? They sacked the idea !!
Why are you sacking the idea? Because of 128 and 129  verses ? Because of  new messenger claim? Because you do not want to really study this pattern in case you go back on your stand? Or simply because you cannot find any number structure in the book?
I am really curious to find out brother, because I read your posts and I honestly think that you do not even acknowledge that some facts exist.
But of course you have the choice brother to do things your way.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[ibn_a]

Salaam,

Peace ibn_a .
Brother Noon wants it both ways:

1- That over her/ it is nineteen is the number of Malika
2- That is a "fitna" to those who believe "number 19 " is the mathematical composition.

Why only those who believe "number 19"? Why not all other groups that are hostile to Qoran?
 And why even acknowledge those who believe "number 19"?
Is the reason that some keep insisting is because they see it as a threat ? I wonder why?
 Is GOD not powerful enough to negate falsehood about His scripture?

If they believe what GOD is saying(That He preserves the book) They should not worry!!!

I do not worry about them not believing "number 19",because I know that GOD protects more than any of us can. The Truth is more powerful than falsehood.
If  they think"number 19" is a falsehood it will be shown up eventually. No need to worry.
The problem I see is they are not able to show this so far.
So let us wait and see?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

I don't understand why those who oppose a possible numerical structure of the Quran based on number 19 , don't search for a logical explanation on why God revealed this number.(i.e. after the claim that the Quran is " magic and  words of a human". 74:24-25 )

Saying that God revealed number ( a group of ) 19 in order for those who reject / disbelieve to count and search for multiples of 19 and a pattern in the Quran,  in order to prove that the Quran is a revelation from God and a numerical structured preserved book seems not to be a logical explanation.

peace

there is no "and will convince" in verse!

لىستىقن surely convinced الذىن the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book

there is no "and remove all traces of doubt" in verse!

ولا and not ىرتاب doubted الذىن the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book

more precisely what numerologists who reject verses keep inquiring about!

ولىقول and let speaketh الذىن the ones فى in قلوبهم hearts theirs مرض illness والكفرون and the rejecting ماذا what hath اراد intends الله the god بهذا in this مثلا similitude of?

wait and see what non-existent interlock/code you keep running away avoid answering?

I don't reject verses.

[Noon waalqalami]

I have done my study separately abnd my own checking and  I have had a look at Abdullah Arik s "beyond probability".
I have spent years looking at all the so called multiples and number patterns and interlock.
Small example here:
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_1/beyond_probability_(P1317).html

peace, above is mindless rant flipping stuff around posting 5% hits hiding 95% misses.

Are you saying you proved every fact  wrong?
Are you saying there is no 19 pattern at all?
 
Or are you saying the ones that exist are just 1/19 chance and Coincidence?

yes no pattern nor coincidence flipping most any text gets a hit 5% of the time.

Remember in the late 70s when the whole Islamic world was championing this so called Miracle?

yes they were and still are dumb and ignorant!

Why are you sacking the idea? Because of 128 and 129  verses ? Because of  new messenger claim? ... Or simply because you cannot find any number structure in the book?

yes it's dumb, ignorant, nowhere stated in the book and believers from time of revelation didn't require.

74:31 ...
 لىستىقن surely convinced الذىن the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book
 وىزداد and increase الذىن the ones امنوا believes they of اىمنا faith of
 ولا and not ىرتاب doubted الذىن the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book والمومنون and the believing

likewise ...
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/17/vers/36?handschrift=107

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/17/vers/36?handschrift=163

[good logic]

Peace Noon.
Sorry brother I am surprised at your learning.
There must be a lot of stuff in Qoran we do not require then? Or do you understand everything?
For example:
يَومَ نَطوِى السَّماءَ كَطَىِّ السِّجِلِّ لِلكُتُبِ كَما بَدَأنا أَوَّلَ خَلقٍ نُعيدُهُ وَعدًا عَلَينا إِنّا كُنّا فٰعِلينَ
If the future generation understand this verse better than us, would we say believers of our time did not require it?

Well brother, we will have to stay with our differences for now.
Nevertheless I thank you for your views and appreciate your respectful way of holding these difficult conversations.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Makaveli]

Word الله itself has numerological structure like many other scriptural words of abjad tradition. Aleph Lamed Lamed heh = 66 = 6+6 = 12 / 66x19 = 1254 = 12 / also 66x7 = 462 = 12 / 12+7 = 19 (12 tribes + 7 heavens)

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم (Basmala) - 21 (7+8+6) = 2+1= 3, ILH - 36 = 9 / adam = 45 = 9 / 9+3=12 /// 45x19 = 855 = 18 / 36x19 = 684 = 18 / 18+3 = 21 /// Adam (45) + Basmala (21) = ALLH (66).

And many other examples.

But that's not important... the numerologists will never win a debate against the blind sceptics as long as they ride the 70's bandwagong yet do not understand the meaning behind these numbers, like Yuksel. Simply counting patterns does not give you anything. It's worthless in itself. To grasp the meaning - that's what is useful.

[ibn_a]

Salaam,


Symmetry: verses in the first half of the Qur'an in comparison to chapters in the last half of the Qur'an.

In  the Qur'an there are 60 chapters with an even verse number.

- 27 chapters in the first half of the Qur'an
- 33 chapters in the last half of the Qur'an

A - Sum of the 33 chapter numbers with even verses in the last half = 2690

B - Sum of the 27 even total verses in the first half = 2690

                     A               B     
-------------------------------------------
chapter        chapter    chapter   verses    verses
 name          number     number              first half   
                          last half                
-------------------------------------------

Al-Fatihah        1        ...       7          ...      
Al-Baqarah        2        ...       286        286      
Aali Imran        3        ...       200        200      
An-Nisa’          4        ...       176        176      
Al-Ma’idah        5        ...       120        120      
Al-An’am          6        ...       165        ...
Al-A’raf          7        ...       206        206      
Al-Anfal          8        ...       75         ...      
At-Taubah         9        ...       129        ...      
Yunus             10       ...       109        ...      
Hud               11       ...       123        ...      
Yusuf             12       ...       111        ...      
Ar-Ra’d           13       ...       43         ...      
Ibrahim           14       ...       52         52      
Al-Hijr           15       ...       99         ...      
An-Nahl           16       ...       128        128      
Al-Isra’          17       ...       111        ...      
Al-Kahf           18       ...       110        110      
Maryam            19       ...       98         98      
Ta-Ha             20       ...       135        ...      
Al-Anbiya’        21       ...       112        112      
Al-Haj            22       ...       78         78      
Al-Mu’minun       23       ...       118        118      
An-Nur            24       ...       64         64      
Al-Furqan         25       ...       77         ...      
Ash-Shu’ara’      26       ...       227        ...      
An-Naml           27       ...       93         ...      
Al-Qasas          28       ...       88         88      
Al-Ankabut        29       ...       69         ...      
Ar-Rum            30       ...       60         60      
Luqman            31       ...       34         34      
As-Sajdah         32       ...       30         30      
Al-Ahzab          33       ...       73         ...      
Saba’             34       ...       54         54      
Al-Fatir          35       ...       45         ...      
Ya-Sin            36       ...       83         ...       
As-Saffah         37       ...       182        182      
Sad               38       ...       88         88      
Az-Zumar          39       ...       75         ...      
Ghafar            40       ...       85         ...      
Fusilat           41       ...       54         54      
Ash-Shura         42       ...       53         ...      
Az-Zukhruf        43       ...       89         ...      
Ad-Dukhan         44       ...       59         ...      
Al-Jathiyah       45       ...       37         ...      
Al-Ahqaf          46       ...       35         ...      
Muhammad          47       ...       38         38      
Al-Fat’h          48       ...       29         ...      
Al-Hujurat        49       ...       18         18      
Qaf               50       ...       45         ...      
Adz-Dzariyah      51       ...       60         60      
At-Tur            52       ...       49         ...      
An-Najm           53       ...       62         62      
Al-Qamar          54       ...       55         ...      
Ar-Rahman         55       ...       78         78      
Al-Waqi’ah        56       ...       96         96      
Al-Hadid          57       ...       29         ...       
------------------------------------------------------   
Al-Mujadilah      58       58        22         ...      
Al-Hashr          59       59        24         ...      
Al-Mumtahanah     60       ...       13         ...      
As-Saf            61       61        14         ...      
Al-Jum’ah         62       ...       11         ...      
Al-Munafiqun      63       ...       11         ...      
At-Taghabun       64       64        18         ...      
At-Talaq          65       65        12         ...      
At-Tahrim         66       66        12         ...      
Al-Mulk           67       67        30         ...      
Al-Qalam          68       68        52         ...      
Al-Haqqah         69       69        52         ...      
Al-Ma’arij        70       70        44         ...      
Nuh               71       71        28         ...      
Al-Jinn           72       72        28         ...      
Al-Muzammil       73       73        20         ...      
Al-Mudaththir     74       74        56         ...      
Al-Qiyamah        75       75        40         ...      
Al-Insan          76       ...       31         ...     
Al-Mursalat       77       77        50         ...      
An-Naba’          78       78        40         ...      
An-Nazi’at        79       79        46         ...     
‘Abasa            80       80        42         ...      
At-Takwir         81       ...       29         ...      
Al-Infitar        82       ...       19         ...      
Al-Mutaffifin     83       83        36         ...      
Al-Inshiqaq       84       ...       25         ...      
Al-Buruj          85       85        22         ...      
At-Tariq          86       ...       17         ...      
Al-A’la           87       ...       19         ...      
Al-Ghashiyah      88       88        26         ...      
Al-Fajr           89       89        30         ...      
Al-Balad          90       90        20         ...      
Ash-Shams         91       ...       15         ...      
Al-Layl           92       ...       21         ...      
Adh-Dhuha         93       ...       11         ...      
Al-Inshirah       94       94        8          ...      
At-Tin            95       95        8          ...      
Al-‘Alaq          96       ...       19         ...      
Al-Qadar          97       ...       5          ...      
Al-Bayinah        98       98        8          ...      
Az-Zalzalah       99       99        8          ...      
Al-‘Adiyah        100      ...       11         ...      
Al-Qari’ah        101      ...       11         ...      
At-Takathur       102      102       8          ...      
Al-‘Asr           103      ...       3          ...      
Al-Humazah        104      ...       9          ...      
Al-Fil            105      ...       5          ...      
Quraish           106      106       4          ...      
Al-Ma’un          107      ...       7          ...      
Al-Kauthar        108      ...       3          ...      
Al-Kafirun        109      109       6          ...      
An-Nasr           110      ...       3          ...      
Al-Masad          111      ...       5          ...      
Al-Ikhlas         112      112       4          ...      
Al-Falaq          113      ...       5          ...      
An-Nas            114      114       6          ...    
------------------------------------------------------
sum                       2690                 2690    

source (arabic) Abdullah Jalghoum :
https://vb.tafsir.net/tafsir8603/#.W0DodcIyWCg

والله اعلم
Allah knows best.

[imrankhawaja]

peace brother,

just wana tell you something, the data you are using got chapter nine verses included in it. so on one side of the story your calculations are balanced but coders dnt believe its the part of scripture. where you will go now ?

anyway by going this way one side comes up to 2688 lol

blessing of God on every individual who thinks critically. 

[good logic]

Peace Imran.
Please explain What you mean by 2888 as surah 9 has an odd number of verses, the post was. quote:

In  the Qur'an there are 60 chapters with an even verse number.

- 27 chapters in the first half of the Qur'an
- 33 chapters in the last half of the Qur'an

 B - Sum of the 27 even total verses in the first half = 2690

Whether surah 9 has 129 or 127 verses  both are odd number of verses. i.e not an even number of verses?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[hawk99]

Peace,

Math can be applied to everything physical that God created, therefore we who conclude that the Quran is
from God can also conclude that yes the Quran is mathematically composed as well.  Of course those who conclude
that math is a function of the human brain and does not really exist have their point of view.

   

Math is all around us.

God bless