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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2018, 10:43:26 AM »
Peace Imran.
I have answered both you and brother Noon.
Give your history/evidence of your oldest manuscript.
If it is the original copy at the time of the prophet,then it will be the one with no errors. The matter will be settled both ways for me and you.
Otherwise it remains a claim from you and brother Noon.
GOD bless you.
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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2018, 03:41:55 PM »
Peace Imran.
I have answered both you and brother Noon.
Give your history/evidence of your oldest manuscript.
If it is the original copy at the time of the prophet,then it will be the one with no errors. The matter will be settled both ways for me and you.
Otherwise it remains a claim from you and brother Noon.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Memorization should also be taken into consideration. It is a fact that it is impossible to erase Quran chapters from the brain once memorized. Even a long break doesn't impact it.
"I fear that nothing will lead me to hell more than ḥadīth"-Hadith collector: Shu'ba Ibn al-Ḥajjāj

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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2018, 11:12:09 PM »
Peace reel..
Unfortunately there are no recording of early memorisations to check this .
Also memorisation is learnt from the mushafs that are available at the time.
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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2018, 11:45:13 PM »
Peace reel..

Also memorisation is learnt from the mushafs that are available at the time.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Not necessarily or rather not. in a orld like today's where print is cheap, paper is cheap, everything is cheap to do relie on the written word ithout any need for memory whatsoever, es very different from another orld in hich there is no print, here not necessarily everybody knos ho to read and write.

Let us not forget that during thousands of years preservation of knowledge maoungst human kin dhas been done exclusively or greatly through oral trnasmission.

In fact hen I was a child, there as still a certain love for learning literature by heart. I still remember the poetry I learn in school to recite. I loved it and I do remember every single poem i learnt. Poetru is particularly apt to rmeember since it has the rythm and musicality.

I would never  ignore oral transmission.


From all I have ben able to ascertain, the Qur'an was transmitted through two separate and simultaneous channels, oral and written. Committed to memory and commited to paper or equivalent.


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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2018, 02:48:53 AM »
Peace huruf.
So there were two different memorisations:
1- During the prophet s time. As the verses were being sent.
2- After the new arrangement of the surahs,the arrangement we have today.
I am not ignoring oral transmissions.  I want to make sure the two transmissions have identical contents. A perfectly logical question to ask.
Especially when there is an issue with the history?
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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2018, 07:24:24 AM »
Peace Imran.
I have answered both you and brother Noon.

peace GL,
 
WRONG answers , reason = either you dnt understand the question or you dnt wana understand the questions..  :yeah:


Give your history/evidence of your oldest manuscript.


MY oldest manuscript huh ?...

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

(BTW brother NOON already provided you lot of earliest manuscripts) in which he smashed code 19 like idols lol i rate him for his hardwork ..  and about all code 19ers a curse on mathematics .. and defame for mathematics a danger for mathematics society by silly math what never found anywhere hahahaha

2 works
one by noon ( give us lot of knowlege, evolution process things and lot more)
one by coders(gives us lot of confusion, tell wrong math and algebra, making statements as fact from secondary sources and lot more things ).
 
If it is the original copy at the time of the prophet,then it will be the one with no errors. The matter will be settled both ways for me and you.

exactly lets go this way if you had that copy then you never debated on imaginary code..
if you dnt have that copy then its responsibility of the claimant to bring that copy if not then the facts of matter will be decided on the earliest manuscript found till date ...

and there is 0 evidence from earliest manuscript about your claim (NOT mY mAnuscripts)  :rotfl:


Otherwise it remains a claim from you and brother Noon.


dnt you have little bit knowledge of "LAW" ?

the burden of proof is on one who challenge the already going on LAW

read post 34 again u still not understanding and bringing these topics here but i again clear your position on debate.

"YOU claimed SOMETHING and then you contradict yourself " (all code believers need to understand this becoz its an addiction for them to contradict themselves on plenty of occasions.)

have a good day


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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2018, 07:47:28 AM »

Unfortunately there are no recording of early memorisations to check this .

REEL you should  know voice recorders just invented in 19th century so its false claim  :elektro: all electricity is the invention of 19th century

Also memorisation is learnt from the mushafs that are available at the time.


wrong answers again..

in my childhoood i dnt know how to read and write but i still remember my mother teach me short chapters of quran what i remember by heart till now i remember them and now i can also write them and record them with 100 % accuracy..

oral when transfer to writing become a book.. ( very simple understanding)

before you asking the proof lem me tell you something about physics and possibilty of voice recovering if coders are that intelligent they can go back to time and then retrieve the voices from prophet times (if only they can do it)

BTW i know how to retreat my data lost in my hard disk deleted by some satanist lol i m a computer guy so i know my field well..(only apply when he also deleted from recycle bin)

coders need to know their field atleast they need to know simple math how its work.

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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2018, 08:25:38 AM »
Peace Imran.
Just give me the history of the oldest manuscript that you say exist and has no errors? Or have you not checked it?
And have you checked the link I gave you about the copy that the prophet wrote?
GOD bless you.
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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2018, 08:35:41 AM »
Peace Imran
You say, quote:
oral when transfer to writing become a book.. ( very simple understanding)

Are you sure? Here is my question to you :
Qoran had two different arrangements: One during the time of the prophet and one after, Where are the two books then?

Is this not logical to ask brother?
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Re: Hafs or Warsh
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2018, 12:47:12 PM »
simple yes or no @ GL

who calimed something ?  you  (yes)
who need history for their claim?  You (yes)

burden of proof is on who ? you ( yes)
did u understand it all ? yes or no ( i m not sure)