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Sahih International: Race toward forgiveness from your Lord and a Garden whose width is like the width of the heavens and earth, prepared for those who believed in Allah and His messengers. That is the bounty of Allah which He gives to whom He wills, and Allah is the possessor of great bounty.

Pickthall: Race one with another for forgiveness from your Lord and a Garden whereof the breadth is as the breadth of the heavens and the earth, which is in store for those who believe in Allah and His messengers. Such is the bounty of Allah, which He bestoweth upon whom He will, and Allah is of Infinite Bounty.

Yusuf Ali: Be ye foremost (in seeking) Forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden (of Bliss), the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His messengers: that is the Grace of Allah, which He bestows on whom he pleases: and Allah is the Lord of Grace abounding.

Shakir: Hasten to forgiveness from your Lord and to a garden the extensiveness of which is as the extensiveness of the heaven and the earth; it is prepared for those who believe in Allah and His messengers; that is the grace of Allah: He gives it to whom He pleases, and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.

Muhammad Sarwar: Compete with one another to achieve forgiveness from your Lord and to reach Paradise, which is as vast as the heavens and the earth, and is prepared for those who believe in God and His Messenger. This is the blessing of God and He grants it to whomever He wants. The blessings of God are great.

Mohsin Khan: Race one with another in hastening towards Forgiveness from your Lord (Allah), and towards Paradise, the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His Messengers. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He pleases. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.

Arberry: Race to forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden the breadth whereof is as the breadth of heaven and earth, made ready for those who believe in God and His Messengers. That is the bounty of God; He gives it unto whomsoever He will; and God is of bounty abounding.

THE ABOVE VERSE INDICATES THAT THE PARADISE (JANNAH) HAS THE WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.. WHY GOD COMPARED THE TINY EARTH WITH HEAVEN. I DON'T KNOW SCIENCE IS PRECISE ON THE SIZE OF HEAVEN BUT, AS FAR AS WE KNOW IN OUR CURRENT KNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPTED MYTH THE HEAVEN(THE UNIVERSE IS NO WHERE NEAR TO THE SIZE OF EARTH) WHAT DOES THIS COMPARISON OF SIZE MEAN BY THIS VERSET? DOES THIS TRY TO SAY EARTH IS NOT TINY AS WE THINK? OR THE OUR BELIEF OF EARTH'S REAL SIZE IS WRONG? ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE WITH SCIENCE.. BUT THEN WHAT?

AND COMPARE THIS VERSE GOD SAYS HE CREATED UNIVERSE (TOTAL) IN SIX DAYS OUT OF THAT, IT TOOK TOTAL 2 DAYS TO CREATE EARTH.. IMAGINE THE SIZE OF UNIVERSE AND THE EARTH. WHY IT TOOK 2 DAYS COMPARED TO EVER EXPANDING UNIVERSE WHICH CONTAINS SUN MOON ALL PLANETS AND STARS ETC.. HMM EARTH IS HABITABLE AND WITH ALL RESOURCES SO IT TOOK 2 DAYS COMPARED TO WHOLE OF UNIVERSE? IS IT FAIR ENOUGH OR IS SOMETHING ELSE.. OR EARTH AS BIG AS SKY :& :whatever:

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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 09:43:45 PM »
Sahih International: Race toward forgiveness from your Lord and a Garden whose width is like the width of the heavens and earth, prepared for those who believed in Allah and His messengers. That is the bounty of Allah which He gives to whom He wills, and Allah is the possessor of great bounty.

THE ABOVE VERSE INDICATES THAT THE PARADISE (JANNAH) HAS THE WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.. WHY GOD COMPARED THE TINY EARTH WITH HEAVEN. I DON'T KNOW SCIENCE IS PRECISE ON THE SIZE OF HEAVEN BUT, AS FAR AS WE KNOW IN OUR CURRENT KNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPTED MYTH THE HEAVEN(THE UNIVERSE IS NO WHERE NEAR TO THE SIZE OF EARTH) WHAT DOES THIS COMPARISON OF SIZE MEAN BY THIS VERSET? DOES THIS TRY TO SAY EARTH IS NOT TINY AS WE THINK? OR THE OUR BELIEF OF EARTH'S REAL SIZE IS WRONG? ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE WITH SCIENCE.. BUT THEN WHAT?

"Is as" or "like" means it is a simile.


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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 11:21:47 PM »
57:21 وجنه and garden عرضها width its كعرض like width السما the heaven/sky والارض and the land

Paradise width (immeasurable) = width the heaven/sky (immeasurable) + the land (tiny)
Paradise width (immeasurable) ? the land (tiny) = width the heaven/sky (immeasurable)

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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 11:54:52 PM »
THE ABOVE VERSE INDICATES THAT THE PARADISE (JANNAH) HAS THE WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.. WHY GOD COMPARED THE TINY EARTH WITH HEAVEN. I DON'T KNOW SCIENCE IS PRECISE ON THE SIZE OF HEAVEN BUT, AS FAR AS WE KNOW IN OUR CURRENT KNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPTED MYTH THE HEAVEN(THE UNIVERSE IS NO WHERE NEAR TO THE SIZE OF EARTH) WHAT DOES THIS COMPARISON OF SIZE MEAN BY THIS VERSET? DOES THIS TRY TO SAY EARTH IS NOT TINY AS WE THINK? OR THE OUR BELIEF OF EARTH'S REAL SIZE IS WRONG? ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE WITH SCIENCE.. BUT THEN WHAT?

Where does this verse says that heaven=earth

57:21
سَابِقُوٓاْ إِلَىٰ مَغۡفِرَةٍ۬ مِّن رَّبِّكُمۡ وَجَنَّةٍ عَرۡضُہَا كَعَرۡضِ ٱلسَّمَآءِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ أُعِدَّتۡ لِلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦ‌ۚ ذَٲلِكَ فَضۡلُ ٱللَّهِ يُؤۡتِيهِ مَن يَشَآءُ‌ۚ وَٱللَّهُ ذُو ٱلۡفَضۡلِ ٱلۡعَظِيمِ


Race toward protection from your Lord and jannah whose width is like the width of the heavens and earth, prepared for those who believed in Allah and His messengers. That is the bounty of Allah which He gives to whom He wills, and Allah is the possessor of great bounty.

So as per 57:21 width of janna=like the width of "heavens and earth".

And as per 3:133

وَسَارِعُوٓاْ إِلَىٰ مَغۡفِرَةٍ۬ مِّن رَّبِّڪُمۡ وَجَنَّةٍ عَرۡضُهَا ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتُ وَٱلۡأَرۡضُ أُعِدَّتۡ لِلۡمُتَّقِينَ

And hasten to protection from your Lord and janna whose width is "heavens and earth", prepared for those who live by God's Law.

AND COMPARE THIS VERSE GOD SAYS HE CREATED UNIVERSE (TOTAL) IN SIX DAYS OUT OF THAT, IT TOOK TOTAL 2 DAYS TO CREATE EARTH.. IMAGINE THE SIZE OF UNIVERSE AND THE EARTH. WHY IT TOOK 2 DAYS COMPARED TO EVER EXPANDING UNIVERSE WHICH CONTAINS SUN MOON ALL PLANETS AND STARS ETC.. HMM EARTH IS HABITABLE AND WITH ALL RESOURCES SO IT TOOK 2 DAYS COMPARED TO WHOLE OF UNIVERSE? IS IT FAIR ENOUGH OR IS SOMETHING ELSE.. OR EARTH AS BIG AS SKY :& :whatever:

Yaum is a period of time not necessarily an earth day. What is the concept of earth days before earth's creation?

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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2018, 12:18:31 AM »
@ Novice.. yes we know Yaum is not generally a day of this worlds every time in quran, but whatever it is, it is mentioned 6 and out of it 2 for Earth..
Whether earth is equal to heaven or not, the Most important thing of this subject is WHY COMPARED THE EARTH WITH THE VAST HEAVEN? COMPARISONS ALWAYS GO WITH SIMILAR THINGS (if some one says the area is as wide as HIMALAYA ranges and my 10 perch land, will that give any sense?)
I wonder as Moon landing conspiracy, are we trapped as well with spinning world and tiny mote?


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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2018, 12:27:02 AM »
@ Novice.. yes we know Yaum is not generally a day of this worlds every time in quran, but whatever it is, it is mentioned 6 and out of it 2 for Earth..
Whether earth is equal to heaven or not, the Most important thing of this subject is WHY COMPARED THE EARTH WITH THE VAST HEAVEN? COMPARISONS ALWAYS GO WITH SIMILAR THINGS (if some one says the area is as wide as HIMALAYA ranges and my 10 perch land, will that give any sense?)
I wonder as Moon landing conspiracy, are we trapped as well with spinning world and tiny mote?

Janna starts right here on the earth in this life if we live as per God's Law and it continues after death. This is what I got from subject verses. Please do not tell me that jannah is an actual garden.

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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2018, 12:41:54 AM »
Yes Novice.. that's possible, paradise is not somewhere above the skies..
But the place where adam and his partner lived cannot be the earth.. if you read carefully the verses of quran..

Further If God says, You will live on earth and you will die on earth.. So one cannot die in Moon and be buried, people will be resurrected from the very earth..

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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2018, 01:39:26 AM »
just think the verses which appears several times i created the heavens and the earth.. Why always these two.. and look at the other verse we created the heavens and the earth and whatever between them.. So the stars sun moon planets and whatever are between this huge universe and EARTH (between the tiny earth?) How come, unless earth is huge?
 Are they really between? No according to current accepted science. So earth has to be the lowest and sky has to be highest, to be actually between or Earth is vast as Heaven and rest is small and between these two?

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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2018, 03:28:35 AM »


It all 'make sense' once you accepted the 'correct' cosmology view as illustrated above.

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Re: WIDTH OF HEAVEN AND WIDTH OF EARTH.. ARE THEY EQUAL AS PER 57:21
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2018, 03:45:15 AM »


Peace jkhan could you give your definition of what a simile is?   :&
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