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#### ibn_a

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##### The first verse (basmalah) 19 _ 9 and 10
« on: March 27, 2018, 09:14:51 AM »

Salaam.

Relation between   19     9   and  10
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The first verse (basmalah) of the Qur'an consists of 19 letters, 10 different letters and 9 repeated letters.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
ب س م   ا ل ل ه   ا ل رح م ن   ا ل رح ي م

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The first 19 surahs of the Qur'an consists of 10 surahs with an odd total verse number  and 9 surahs with an even total verse number .

1     2      3      4      5       6       7      8     9      10      11     12   13   14   15    16     17    18   19   surahs
7   286   200   176   120   165   206   75   129   109   123   111   43   52   99   128   111   110   98   total verse numbers

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The first 19 surahs of the Qur'an consists of 10 surahs with initial letters and 9 surahs without initial letters.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12   13   14   15   16   17   18   19     surah numbers

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There is only 1 surah in the Qur'an with 9 verses ( surah 104 ),
after this surah to the end of the Qur'an there are 10 surahs.

…   104   105   106   107   108   109   110   111   112   113   114      surahs
…      9       5      4        7       3      6       3       5       4        5       6       verses
1      2        3       4      5       6       7       8        9      10     count

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From the 114 surahs there are 60 surahs with an even total verse number
and 54 surahs with an odd total verse number. (  relation 9 to 10 )

60   =   10   ?   6
54   =    9   ?   6
114   =  19   ?   6

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From the 114 surahs there are 10 surahs with a total verse number that is a multiple of 9

15     20     34    35   41   49    50   64    83   104        surahs
99   135   54   45   54   18   45   18    36     9         total verse numbers

From surah 15 to surah 104 there are 90 surahs ( 9 ? 10 ).

The first surah of the Qur'an that is a multiple of 9 has 99 verses.
The last surah of the Qur'an that is a multiple of 9 has 9 verses.
99 - 9 = 90 ( 9 10 )

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If we sort the 114 total verse numbers of the surahs from smallest to largest,
surah 104 ( the only  surah in the Qur'an with 9 verses ) is the 19 th.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12   13   14   15   16   17   18   19      count
3   3   3   4   4   5   5   5   5     6     6     7     7     8     8     8     8     8    9       total verse numbers

There is only 1 surah in the Qur'an ( surah 9 ) without the basmalah ( 19 letters ).

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source:  arabic( abdullah jalghoum ): https://vb.tafsir.net/tafsir16444/#.Wrn01H8uCCh

#### milan

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##### Re: The first verse (basmalah) 19 _ 9 and 10
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2018, 07:16:38 AM »
Salaam ibn_a,

Thank you for posting this in English and the link to the Arabic site. This is extremely interesting and shows how avery small detail within the Quran (Kufa Riwayaat) has been counted and ordered.

Salaam, Milan

#### ibn_a

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##### Re: The first verse (basmalah) 19 _ 9 and 10
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2018, 10:21:26 AM »
Salaam milan,

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Relation between   19       9  and  10

The last 19 surahs of the Qur'an have 9 different numbers for their total verse numbers and 10 repeated numbers.

96   97   98   99   100   101   102   103   104   105   106   107   108   109   110   111   112   113   114       surah numbers
19    5     8     8     11     11     8       3        9       5       4      7        3      6       3        5        4      5       6         verses
1     2      3      4      5      6       7       8        9      10    11     12      13     14    15      16     17     18     19       count

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10 differnt number in  the Qur'an used for the total verse numbers ending with number 9

9   19   29   49   59   69   89   99   109   129            verse numbers
3?   3?
1    2     3     4      5     6    7     8       9      10            count

note: number 19 and 29 are used 3 times.

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source:  arabic( abdullah jalghoum )

#### ibn_a

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##### Re: The first verse (basmalah) 19 _ 9 and 10
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 08:37:18 AM »
Salaam,

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Relation between   19       9  and  10

Number 10 is mentioned 9 times in the Qur'an.

2         2       5          6          7      11        20       28       89        surahs
196     234     89      160      142      13      103       27         2        verses

source:  arabic( abdullah jalghoum )

#### Noon waalqalami

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##### Re: The first verse (basmalah) 19 _ 9 and 10
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 08:07:37 PM »
Thank you for posting this in English and the link to the Arabic site. This is extremely interesting and shows how avery small detail within the Quran (Kufa Riwayaat) has been counted and ordered.

Salaam, Milan

Peace, Milan

89:1 والفجر and/by the dawn
89:2 ولىال and the nights عشر ten
89:3 والشفع and the even والوتر and the odd

The verses were not initially revealed with any verse numbers.

1.   Scribes used an odd-even system to keep accurate count
2.   Old manuscripts had different counts ? same system/text
3.   Initially chapters الم alif lam meem etc. were not separate
4.   Chapters had different verse counts, see below examples

E.g. initially chapter 8 had (2) extra verses 8:77 and chapter 9:130

The book was symmetrically balanced if including 113 chapter titles.

#### ibn_a

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##### Re: The first verse (basmalah) 19 _ 9 and 10
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 07:11:56 AM »
Salaam,

Relation between   19       9  and  10

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The 19 surahs with the smallest total verse numbers:

9 surahs with an even total verse number.
10 surahs with an odd total verse number.
9 surahs with an even surah number.
10 surahs with an odd surah number

3      3       3        4       4     5       5       5      5        6       6    7      7     8     8     8     8      8       9    verses

103   108   110   106   112   97   105   111   113   109   114   1   107   94   95   98   99   102   104   surahs

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The 19 surahs with the largest total verse numbers:

9 surahs with an odd total verse number.
10 surahs with an even total verse number.
9 surahs with an even surah number.
10 surahs with an odd surah number

286   227   206   200   182   176   165   135   129   128   123   120   118   112   111   111   110   109   99     verses

2      26      7       3        37     4       6      20    9       16       11     5       23    21    12      17     18    10     15     surahs

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The 19 surahs with the largest total verse numbers:

9 surahs with initial letters
10 surahs without initial letters.

286   227  206   200   182   176   165   135   129   128   123   120   118   112   111   111   110   109   99       verses

2      26      7       3      37      4       6      20      9       16     11     5      23      21      12     17    18     10    15       surahs

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source:  arabic( abdullah jalghoum )