Verse 9:28 (is Yakrabu or Thakrabu) You Don't approach or Dont let them approach

[jkhan]

Salam
Can any one count properly the number of letter of Ya and Tha and find out whether it has any 19 miracle.. I mean to find out the actual verse is La Thakrabu or La Yakrabu. Please count till verse No. 127 only.. I have no knowledge in counting them.

Just curious on Sam Garrens topic he says Masjid Al Haram (for me it is a natural Restricted Sanctuary, definitely not in Makka) is closed for believers after the verse 9:28 and in fact i don't see mentioning of Masjid Al haram in Quran after 9:28 either..
some take interest and help me pls.
May allah bless you with his intended guidance.

[Noon waalqalami]

Peace, no consistent numerology miracle.

9:28 ىقربوا yaqrabu/approached they of 

See older manuscripts use magnifier tā dotted above (use context as well).

http://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/28?handschrift=32

The Codex Parisino-Petropolitanus, One of the Oldest Surviving Manuscripts of the Qur'an
(Circa 675 ? 750)
http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=4788

[jkhan]

older means .. how old during the time of prophet or after few hundred years... He says La Thakrabu is represented in quran in few places and only in 9:28 it is La Yakrabu.. niggles me.. how to find the truth.. Did you count the Tha and Ya in chapter 9.. how many letters of each pls..

[Noon waalqalami]

older means .. how old during the time of prophet or after few hundred years... He says La Thakrabu is represented in quran in few places and only in 9:28 it is La Yakrabu.. niggles me.. how to find the truth.. Did you count the Tha and Ya in chapter 9.. how many letters of each pls..

No need to pond head or count letters over infatuation with numerology.
Here's another old manuscript dated 662-765 CE with 95.4% probability.

Again use magnifier to clearly see the dots over letter ta none over ya.

9:28 ىقربوا

39:3 لىقربونا

http://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/39/vers/3?handschrift=163

[jkhan]

i am not satisfied.. but i will be definitely patient on this issue and wait with the time. so that something convincing would approach from Allah.. The verse in current quran is definitely available as yakrab (saying not to allow the mushrik).. let me go in line with it.. but honestly it niggles me on this.. May allah guide us all..

I wonder how the prophet and his people identified the mushrik for not giving them permision.. it would have been one of the greatest difficulties they would have faced during the months of pilgrimage... If any mushrik was living for years in the so called area for years then he should be exiled too.. I can't believe allah would advise  such a thing. Pilgrimage is not only for the people who is recognized by prophet or his people but people who are alien to them too.. how to stop these mushriks.. Why the believers should worry of financial predicament in the first place because of the absence of Mushriks.. They should be so happy if they are true believers that mushriks are forbidden. but they seemed worried.unless it is opposite like they were asked not to go

[Noon waalqalami]

i am not satisfied.. but i will be definitely patient on this issue and wait with the time. so that something convincing would approach from Allah.. The verse in current quran is definitely available as yakrab (saying not to allow the mushrik).. let me go in line with it.. but honestly it niggles me on this.. May allah guide us all..

I wonder how the prophet and his people identified the mushrik for not giving them permision.. it would have been one of the greatest difficulties they would have faced during the months of pilgrimage... If any mushrik was living for years in the so called area for years then he should be exiled too.. I can't believe allah would advise  such a thing. Pilgrimage is not only for the people who is recognized by prophet or his people but people who are alien to them too.. how to stop these mushriks.. Why the believers should worry of financial predicament in the first place because of the absence of Mushriks.. They should be so happy if they are true believers that mushriks are forbidden. but they seemed worried.unless it is opposite like they were asked not to go

Peace, not difficult if made an agreement and waging war with them.

Read context start ch 9 ? here scribe colored ya red dot made it easy.

http://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/2/handschrift/163



http://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/28/handschrift/163

[jkhan]

How can you say it is not difficult.. Are u bit insane?  Sorry.. Even in one verse of Quran says all sorts of people were not mixed with believers I would have definitely  punished.. In another verse Allah says you don't recognize them but We..
So you want to wage against mushrik just because  they are najas/impure..come on this is not Quran or way of decency.  Remember mushrik is not only strong men,  but also women children and old men..
In one one verse God says the who lives and visitor are same where this pilgrimage take place.. And further these so called mushriks had a great interest in this place for ages and tgey were maintaining it and even providing water to pilgrims.. It is crystal clear it is equally important place for any kind of religious community n not only for believers..
How can even a government stop a community who were attached to a certain place for ages,  just coz of another religion"s verse or advice.
And further in Haj it seems great debate and Quran's message were kept spreading to belivers and disbelievers..  If so how the disbelievers  would approach to Quran. You wanted Prophet to go each and every town convey the message or the people to come to well know place yearly within four months period..
Allah has never asked in Quran to wage war for just living in a place or entering to a place.. Allah always ordered to wage war for violence ..

[jkhan]

Further u mentioned 39:3 is equal 9:28 I don't think so.. 9:28 is form I verb same as 2:35, 2:187, 2:222, 4:43, 6:151 6:152, 7:19, 17:32, 17:34, 12:60

[Noon waalqalami]

Are u bit insane?

Further u mentioned 39:3 is equal 9:28 I don't think so.

1.   You asked for help, when given old manuscripts etc. you were looking for numerology bullshit!
2.   Simply parse the word components

9:28 ىقربوا approached they of 



39:3 لىقربونا to approached they us



No more comments! Peace and good bye!

[jkhan]

Thanks for your support but in vain.. In the first place I never asked anyone in this forum the old manuscripts..  But I just asked to count those two letters in that chapter.. U want me to believe these manuscripts.. Then not me the right guy.. I was a deep rooted person.. But never was against the truth when I realize.. I simply discard even the deep rooted belief towards seeing the extreme truth..  But u seems so much deep rooted n can't get out of it even u see simple logic.. That's what I understood from your final answer.. God knows best.. Hope someone else has right approach.. Or I find it some other way