Eating fish with the current fishing method is haram?

[Rilum]

Peace,

5:3
Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on altars, and what you divide through arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.



Arent fish after a time at the mass fishing-process dead or kind of strangled, when they dont "breathe". Shouldn't fish be slaughtered right after the fishing process, when the fish is still alive?

[Novice]

Brother you can slaughter you fish while its alive. It is not forbidden?

I guess the reason we kill an animal is to drain its blood. Blood has harmful toxins and should not be used as food.

Salaam

[Rilum]

Yes, I mean that one must slaughter the fish, then it is not forbidden, but in the current fishing method you fish a lot of them and let them die in the boat without "breathing".

[Rilum]

What do the others say?

[good logic]

Peace.
I have never heard of slaughtering fish?

How did they fish in all generations?
I do not see anywhere in Qoran asking us to slaughter fish, or any sea food?
Are we going to make haram what is lawful?
GOD bless.
Peace.

[Rilum]

Peace good logic,
but it is stated in 5:6 that dead animals are prohibited to eat, and the fish are dead due to not "breathing"

[good logic]

Peace Rilum.
As far as I understand Qoran, the dead animals concerned are the ones that die by themselves or by disease. We do not catch dead fish ,i.e fish that are dead before we catch them.
Therefore I do not see a problem.
I cannot imagine anyone trying to slaughter 3 tons of sardines or millions of small prawns so we can eat them! It does not make sense.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[hawk99]

Peace,

Arent fish after a time at the mass fishing-process dead or kind of strangled, when they dont "breathe". Shouldn't fish be slaughtered right after the fishing process, when the fish is still alive?

Peace Rilum, look at it this way, if you see fish dead, floating on top
of the lake don't eat     if you catch a live fish you can eat

[The Sardar]

Peace Rilum, look at it this way, if you see fish dead, floating on top
of the lake don't eat     if you catch a live fish you can eat

Oh dear i hate to see that.

[Rilum]

Isnt it like a kind of strangling the fish, if it dies without "breathing"?

[The Sardar]

Isnt it like a kind of strangling the fish, if it dies without "breathing"?

Not exactly, strangling is that someone is choking the airway that is connecting from the lung to heart & brain which is causing death. Fish cannot breath in outside the water because they have gills. I'm no fish expert.

[hawk99]

Isnt it like a kind of strangling the fish, if it dies without "breathing"?

No I don't think so, fish have no neck, anyway, 5:3 is about land animals.


                                       

[Novice]

No I don't think so, fish have no neck, anyway, 5:3 is about land animals.

Sometimes we cannot see a simple thing. Thank you hawk99.

[imrankhawaja]

aquatic animals and land animals are two different catagories and both adressed in quran with set of rules

there is one more thing what i want to add although its not cleared that what type of fish we go for
sunni eat all types if fish
shia only eat fish who only eat vegeterian stuff

if we look at the verses and complie them alltogether we see that God advise us to eat food what is benificial to us

the methods of halal in case of land animals is there but the list of animals only exempt pig does it mean lion and dog are also edible?
same goes with aquatic animals although when a catch from sea its mean live catch (not dead one) u cant catch immoveable thing 😜 like a catch in game of cricket

a fish with " chana" special skin pattern signify it as the fish who only eat vegeterian stuff
in european countries we recognise it as COD fish

peace and blessing to all of you

[Rilum]

5:3 does not say that it is just about land animals

[The Sardar]

aquatic animals and land animals are two different catagories and both adressed in quran with set of rules

there is one more thing what i want to add although its not cleared that what type of fish we go for
sunni eat all types if fish
shia only eat fish who only eat vegeterian stuff

if we look at the verses and complie them alltogether we see that God advise us to eat food what is benificial to us

the methods of halal in case of land animals is there but the list of animals only exempt pig does it mean lion and dog are also edible?
same goes with aquatic animals although when a catch from sea its mean live catch (not dead one) u cant catch immoveable thing 😜 like a catch in game of cricket

a fish with " chana" special skin pattern signify it as the fish who only eat vegeterian stuff
in european countries we recognise it as COD fish

peace and blessing to all of you

Imran my brother how i missed you.

[imrankhawaja]

5:3 does not say that it is just about land animals

brother the beauty of this book you are still missing ... or on other words in case  of quran study its always helpful to gather all the information what is required for the topic and always see surrounding verses for clearer picture ..

5 : 3 is about the method of obtaining food from animals..

5 : 4 is actually an answer for those who are still seeking answers ( in which we see land and air animals) next part is which land and air animals ? chicken also considered as poultry so yeh all land and air animals meet the same criteria ..

5:5 now in this verse we see he made all GOOD things lawful for us  considering this we should not approach lion or bear for getting food its too risky ...

the set of rules for these 2 categories are there ..

now coming back to the categories of aquatic animals which is different from land animals ..

5:96 Lawful to you is all water-game. This is decent provision for you and for those who are traveling by sea. Do not pursue land-game during Pilgrimage. Be mindful of God to Whom you will be summoned

16:14 And He it is Who has made the sea subservient that you eat from it tender fresh meat and extract from it gems and ornaments to wear. And you see the ships roaming through the waves that you may seek of His bounty and be appreciative.

35:12 The two seas are not the same; one is fresh and delicious, while the other is salty and undrinkable. From each of them you eat tender meat, and extract jewelry to wear. And you see the ships sailing through them, seeking His provisions, that you may be appreciative.

also look the event of moses with travellor in which it appears to them the forget their fish and that fish excaped back to sea which indicate they catch a living (fresh) fish ..

now coming back to the point where are you confusing about 5 : 3 the animals which died themselves mean which is already dead before you get meat from them ..

as we see we have to slaughter the animal to make them kill first ..
in case of fish we dnt need to kill her after we catch as we know fish will get died after couple of minutes ..

animals in land after capturing them never get died by themselves like fish (in case  of you are livng in ocean) then your catch will died when you take it underwater lol...

if we were the aquatic people living in ocean then laws get reversed (in ocean when we catch a fish under water ) untill we will not kill her by some means she will not get died .. so we are living in land the laws of land animals as well as air animals mention in seperate place and the laws of aquatic animals is at seperate place ..

and you will see more interesting things like the the word "GAME" now focus on this

7:163 Ask them about the town which was by the sea, after they had transgressed the Sabbath; their fish would come to them openly on the day of their Sabbath, and when they were not in Sabbath, they would not come to them! It is such that We afflicted them for what they corrupted.

when you manage to learn how to gather all information from quran then things will be easy for you to understand by cross checking methods ... hope this approach will help you..

[imrankhawaja]

Imran my brother how i missed you.

i missed all of you my brothers and sisters ..
i been busy from last couple of months , and my new task of life is very lovely ...
i love serving humanity and give them best of my services ... and in this time i m enjoying my task from the first  day 

blessing in the name of creator

[Rilum]

The question would be if we fish the fish and he dies without "breathing", does it fall in the category al-maytatu (dead animal) from 5:3

[Jafar]

You touch the issue correctly while viewing it from incorrect perspective.

CATCHING Fish with many of the "current" fishing method is "haram", such as:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_fishing
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_trawling
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muroami
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide_fishing

Why?
Because it's destructive to the living environment and caused heavy environmental damage.

Heaven Punishment.
'punishment' will come automatically by no more fish (and corals) in the earth ocean.

[good logic]

Peace Rilum.
Your question about fish dying after we catch them does not make them dead before we caught them. So if you catch them alive, then there is no problem.
Whether they cannot breathe or the heat of cooking them kills them is irrelevant. They were not dead before they were caught, so what is the problem?
5;3 ,even if you apply it to fish, (And it does not as 5:1 clearly identifies !Anaam( live stock animals as the subject of 5:1-3) it should not be a problem if one was fishing live ones.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Rilum]

You may be right, God knows best.
Thank you all for your answers.
Peace be upon you