Author Topic: Drinking Alcohol is a Sin! Why is it not according to Layth/Edip's Translation?  (Read 796 times)

HP_TECH

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The main point is Allah says we should avoid it,
What does Allah say about MERELY approaching His limits?
Were not our parents admonished from approaching the tree?
They transgressed all bounds by mere approach to it, and look where we are now.
Don't follow their examples.
إِنَّنِي مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِي

My Lord I repent to you for anything I uttered concerning You for which I have no knowledge of. Indeed You are the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

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The main point is Allah says we should avoid it,
What does Allah say about MERELY approaching His limits?
Were not our parents admonished from approaching the tree?
They transgressed all bounds by mere approach to it, and look where we are now.
Don't follow their examples.
On that i agree with you brother HP_TECH but remember while there is great harm on these substences there is also benefits from them as well. That's why Allah (SWTAY) told the prophet to says this:


2:219 يسلونك عن الخمر والميسر قل فيهما اثم كبير ومنفع للناس واثمهما اكبر من نفعهما ويسلونك ماذا ينفقون قل العفو كذلك يبين الله لكم الءايت لعلكم تتفكرون
Yas-aloonaka AAani alkhamri waalmaysiriqul feehima ithmun kabeerun wamanafiAAu lilnnasiwa-ithmuhuma akbaru min nafAAihima wayas-aloonaka mathayunfiqoona quli alAAafwa kathalika yubayyinu Allahulakumu al-ayati laAAallakum tatafakkaroona
They ask you about alcohol and gambling. Say: "In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit." And they ask you how much they are to give, say: "The excess." It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.

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I think that the benefit does not lie on the desinfectant or any other properties of alcohol or any other substance which may have uses unrelated to the effects as intoxicants. That is obvious.

I think the benefits may lie in properties of the drugs, such as alcohol, as they are for the usual consumption. That would be the same with tools, they are very useful, but if you use them as weapongs, of course, it is different.

Alcohol, indeed has some nice properties, pleasure would be one, which is outweighted by the harming properties. And in fact what is the Qur'an telling us: does it not point out that we should beware of those nice properties because they are the enticement to approach them making us forget the danger. This again shows how wise is the Qur'an, instead of telling us merely keep away, it tells us that something may pull us from keeping away because they have good points. And in fact those good points are pointed out by those who would like the Qur'an to give a green light to alcohol, because if you drink it in moderation and all that... There are some people who ould like to be free to drink alcohol, in moderation of course, without remorse, something which can be attained if they manage to show that the Qur'an has nothing against it.

The Qur'an and also honesty and common sense, all of them in fact have a lot against alcohol and personality altering drugs, what they do not do is lie about about their hooking ability.

Salaam


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And, by the way,

Concerning the translation of the aya quoted int he original post, I do not see in it dishonesty.

The reformist translation of the Qur'an is not free, in may view, of many questionable points, but, in my honest opinion, it has also good points and improvements over the average. In aya 24.33 in fact it is the only one I have seen that does not make one vomit.

Salaam

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The THC in marijuana could not be separated from the plant until
recently, before that it had to be ingested or smoked.  Other uses
of cannabis include paper, medicinal, textiles and more.

Alcohol was one of the first anesthetics.  The coca leaf has been
used since prehistoric times, when chewed, acts as a mild
stimulant and suppresses hunger, thirst, pain, and fatigue in
regions of south America, but was misused by the west and
demonized in the form of cocaine.  Allah is the creator of
plants, in them can be sin or benefit. 

During our family gatherings we have contests, play games,
gamble for very small amounts (less than a dollar) just to
make it interesting.


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