Salaam Noon waalqalami,
what you wrote doesn’t make sense? If you agree that numbering of verses was added later i.e. after revelation then it was the scribes who added the verses numbers by separating sentences etc. It was not a coincidence since it was the scribes who added the verse numbers.
Maybe i did not express myself well ( i am not a native english speaker ) .
You said in a previous post that de numbering of the verses was later, what i was trying to say, is that they can number the separated verses later, as the end of the verses were marked.
It's simple ledger system e.g. remove this verse due to hadith to get a meaningless multiple…
Zayd bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Quran and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. [That verse was]: 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'"[Quran 33:23][Bukhari Sahih al-Bukhari, 6:61:510]
Then combine any 2 verses in any of these chapters keeps odd-even symmetry…
3 200
5 120
6 165
7 206
8 75
10 109
12 111
19 98
20 135
21 112
23 118
26 227
31 34
33 72
36 83
37 182
40 85
41 54
42 53
44 59
46 35
47 38
48 29
49 18
50 45
51 60
52 49
53 62
54 55
55 78
Zayd also said:
"So I started looking for the Holy quran and collected it from (what was written on) palm-leaf stalks, thin white stones, and also from men who knew it by heart, until I found the last verse of Surat at-Tauba (repentance) with Abi Khuzaima al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 478).
Simply remove last 2 verses from ch 9 to get meaningless multiple keep symmetry -- infinite combinations.
In a previous post i said:
I know that it is not impossible to remove/add verses in an orderly way so that the pattern will stay as it is.
But the more complicated the pattern, the more difficult to make changes in it, or to happen by coincidence.
you can not change
randomly without destroying the odd-even symmetry in some attempts.
( odd-even symmetry is only a part of the Quran's numerical structure )
Not about hafs/warsh – where you get warsh count/reading?
Show warsh total verse counts for chapter 20 posted earlier?
Earliest manuscripts end 10 verses marker 20:127 (20:131) thus total 139.
It is the same text yet (4) extra verses not counting chapter title or initials.
20:1 طه ta ha (together with next verse) 20:2 ما not انزلنا descends we of علىك upon you القران the qur’an لتشقى that thou agonize
Berlin, Staatsbibliothek: Wetzstein II 1913 (Ahlwardt 305
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/127/handschrift/163
In previous posts you said that the initial letters were part of verses and not separated verses.
My comment was about the initial letters, not the total number of verses:
- The manuscripts you posted ( where the initial letters are not separated verses ) seem to have a resemblance with the Warsh reading .
The initial letters in Warsh reading are not separated verses in the 29 chapters.
- In the Hafs reading the initial letters are separated verses in 19 chapters
and not separated verses in 10 chapters .
It seems that the differences in the number of verses is because of the different qira'at readings.
"Cutting the same corpus, into verses."
Read more here...page 85 -110 ( variant Quranic Readings, qira'at page 100 )
http://www.academia.edu/32938738/The_Sun_Rises_in_the_West_2017_Example:
Here: a qira'at with 140 verses in chapter 20.
http://audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.php?page=rewayat&rewaya=26chapter 20. T. H.
http://live.islamweb.net/quran_list/hesham/s20.pdfThe most important is what the Qur'an says about its preservation and numerical structure :
- I believe that the Qur'an we have today is preserved by God, if not then what are this verses about?
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15:9 Indeed it is We who have sent down the reminder, and indeed it is We who will preserve it.
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18:1 Praise be to God who has sent down the Book to His servant, and He has not made in it any crookedness.
18:2 It is valuable, giving warning of the severe punishment from Him; and it gives glad tidings to the believers who do good works, that they will have an excellent reward.
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41:41 Those who have rejected the reminder when it came to them; and it is an Honorable Book.
41:42 No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from One Most Wise, Praiseworthy.
- And i believe that the numerical structure of the Qur'an prouves/will prouve its preservation.
If there is no numerical structure in the Qur'an, then what are these verses about , counting all things in numbers, 19, have certainty, increase in faith, that the message is deliverd .... ?
72:28
so as to make manifest that they have delivered the messages of their Lord, and He surrounds all that is with them, and He has counted the number of all things.
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74:25 "This is nothing except the saying of a human being."
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74:30 Upon it is nineteen.
74:31
We have appointed only angels to be wardens of the fire, and their number have We made to be a stumbling block for those who disbelieve; that those to whom the scripture hath been given may have certainty, and that believers may increase in faith; and that those to whom the Scripture hath been given and believers may not doubt; and that those in whose hearts there is disease, and disbelievers, may say: What meaneth Allah by this similitude? Thus Allah sendeth astray whom He will, and whom He will He guideth. None knoweth the hosts of thy Lord save Him. This is naught else than a Reminder unto mortals.
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74:35 It is one of the great ones.
74:36 A warning to human beings.
Salam see this verses:
85:21 بل هو قرءان مجيد
Bal huwa qur'?nun maj?dun
No,it is a glorious Qur'an.
85:22 فى لوح محفوظ
F? lawHin maHf?Zin
In a tablet, preserved.
