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jkhan

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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2018, 04:15:56 AM »
Just as an info all good believers in One God..  We are living in a period without a living prophet..  Only Quran as last revealed book we depend.  So we may come across many questions but Allah will clear.. This following verse is tailor-made for that I I guess..
9:115 And Allah  will never lead a people astray after He has guided them until He makes clear to them as to what they should AVOID.  ...."
Yes..  We are going through this period as to what we should avoid.. Definitely  God has guided already but we have our concerns what to do n avoid depending  solely on quran.. He will guid us gradually.. I have confidence  on it.. How many thing I personally  did wrong while I was a hadith all Nonesence type things believer.. Even after accepting only Quran how many things I did which we feel wring Now.. Still to go.. It doesn't  mean we change things... No we are getting changed and guided by God to what we should be AVOIDED  as per 9:115

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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2018, 08:15:33 AM »
If
Yes tarafyin nahar is Isha and Fajr...

then what can you say about the information below?

Nahar means day, that is the period when the sun is revealed (above the horizon) as stated in 91:3

Layli means night, that is the period when the sun is covered (below the horizon) as stated in 91:4

In your understanding at what points is Yooliju allayla fee alnnahari wayooliju alnnahara fee allayi 57:6 taking place?


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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2018, 09:19:40 AM »
Salam!

As per 4:103, it talks about وقت/specified or fixed hours/time. While 2:189 tells that it is اھلة/new moons or phases of moon which are used to mark fixed/specified times.

Please comment.

Regards,

jkhan

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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2018, 06:14:30 PM »
Yes dear "Tell me the truth"
So you have concern on 91:3 and 91:4. Had u explored the verse carefully u wouldn't  have asked it from me..
It says not the Sun is revealed,  it says about sun's  brightness revealed.. Throughout Nahar sun may not appear in it's extreme brightness and may physically visible the object sun. That u know.  Before sunrise it's not so bright, just after sunrise as well,  but then it gets brighter.. And during the course it may at times not brighter coz of hidden to clouds or raining or eclipse etc.  And just before sunset also not bright and just after too.. But these periods are nahar,  we have light coz of the brightness of sun. Coz brightness of sun will never cease till day of ressurection. It is it unique feature.   But when the darkness cover the brightness of sun every light is over..
In 91:4 it doesn't  say night covers the Sun.. It says Night covers the brightness of Sun.. How can night cover the object sun at any time?  Night never can cover the object sun as long as it has its brightness.. Am I right?
Remember God created darkness then only sun  and it's brightness.. As long as its brightness appear to any part of the world it's nahar.. Lail that is darkness, end of brightness of sun but Lail has its beginning not with extreme dark.. Coz sun's brightness left on the earth it's effect and it takes time to get dark to extreme..
That's why I wondered in two verse Allah says who will bring to you darkness if I kept Nahar till day of resurrection..  And same.. Who will bring light if I kept Lail till day of ressurection.. Did u ever ponder.. Just before sunrise is everything clear.. If it is Lail.. I was wondering  this verse gives any meaning? The object sun and it's brightness is ever present but coz of the way the universe  is created it is not visible to us.. First the object disappears then it's brightness.. As well first it's brightness appears and the object appears.. If half an our period after Fajr before sunrise is still night then having sex in it during fasting is no where mentioned wrong.. Unless that period is nahar...

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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2018, 06:34:03 PM »
And about 57:6.. U asked my opinion..
It's about Lail getting shortened or widened coz of nahar getting widened or shortened during the course of seasons of simply year..
That so visible throught a year all over the world night is short day is long and day is shot night is long.. Coz Allah makes it happen..  How it happens we all know now..  If we google.. But not then when it was revealed..

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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2018, 06:45:51 PM »
About 4:103 and 2:189
Yes dear it's fixed.. The sun and moon both are for counting periods..
During night you can say if u see a full moon the time of the month.. During day when sun is there u can imagine what time of the day now.. Can u say the time of the day by when there is no moon is visible during day.. No..
4:103 is talking about sun and based on it fixed period..  And 2:189 is about moon and it's counting.. Don't u really use both for counting fixed tine if you were living in a period where o watch is around..
Sun is useful to for fixed period of time during day.. N moon is good to say which day it is even u did not count.. They can count with sun of course but they should daily count the days.. But moon will help with its sight..
So salt in 4:103 is fixed according to sun and not moon.. And first moon 2"189  for counting and haj.. I wonder why God not mention fasting  if it start with first moon.. For me fasting from full moon

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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2018, 07:35:24 AM »
To bagyane  and anyone who thinks 5 Salat and those Quran only followers  who think with sunset Night starts though they take 3 Salat, is the following explanation ..may Allah guide us
If tarafyin nahar is two ends (Sunset n sunrise) to b exact.. Then use very simple logic..
So according that aspect one of the Salats should b at sunset.. Right? So practically one has to wait till the sun to go down the horizon completely and then quickly  start praying to God.. This is typically in Arabic a period called magrib.. So suppose one finished praying within 5 or 10 minutes.. So according to your terminology(sunrise to sunset=nahar), so the salat that u prayed is inside nahar or Lail? Lail yes.. But you say prayed at nahar period but not actually..
Same thing for quran only three time prayers but who take nahar=sunrise to sunset.. So you pray isha.. Right?  So your isha  time is once the sunset.. So same suppose u finished prayer just after 5 , 10 mints.. Still could b bright enough.. So do u really call this period in Arabic isha?  When u have another word for it in the name of magrib..
Now let's turn to the other End of tarafyin nahar.. That's fair for both(5time praying party n  Quran only party).
If one End is sunset,  then definitely we got to wait for sunrise.. Coz the logic here the nahar =sunrise to sunset.. So my dear 5 time praying group.. Do u really wait till sunrise to start your prayer.. I guess no.. Right? Then why for one end u immediately start praying and other end u well before sunrise in darkness of dawn you pray.. That's most probably the exact time Quran orders.. This has meaning also of the Salat name given to it as Fajr in Arabic.. . Then Why this Contradiction to one end only.. Suppose if still one says no I will pray at sunrise.. Then definitely  he has to see sunrise first same as he waited for sun to set.. So if he started praying once sun is risen he may finish it 5 mints.. So that's nahar of course.. But is it really Fajr which is the only Salat ordered of the other end..
So do u still adamant that yes,  tarafyin nahar  is sunrise and sunset and nahar=sunrise to sunset.. Where is your wits folks?  What happened  to your god gifted verification..
Nahar start well before sunrise when there is Civil light and nahar ends well after sunset when civil light over
. That's why asked in my earlier reply to give explanation while fasting after Fajr till sunrise,  can anyone approach wife.. Yes.. If it is night.. But it is not night dear all.. Pls think..
Remember  I was taking this with the place where QURAN revealed and similar scenario  areas.  If you think of north and south poles or near countries.. Then simple.. God's logic is night with darkness and nahar/ day with light.. If in those places, even after sunset till sunrise no darkness appear then very simple answer is there was no night.. And vice versa.. If even after sunrise if no light then is no nahar/day there
. If according  to God's standard explanations  of nahar and Lail not appear to them they must be exempted from any thing which Allah orders of relevant to this.. Or they should shift their places of living , world is spacious as God calls. It's not easy since they r settled.. ..or shouldn't  complain these matters..  It's similar to Someone who says who lives in dense jungle and says I have huge problem from elephants and lions and no one cares about us.. We erected electric fences still they encroach.. They  forgot where they are living and still blaming to animals.. I wonder u got me..

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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2018, 09:38:36 AM »
Duha is not the whole brightness of the sun but a part/section of nahar, it is commonly understood as late morning or when the brightness is around its peak, therefore not every part of nahar is duha.
Below are some of the references of usages of the word duha in the quran

7/98

20/59

Nahar is the common period for gathering of large crowd wajaAAala alnnahara nushooran 25/47 or the period for earnings 78/11 WajaAAalna alnnahara maAAashan

Adam in Al-Jannat never witness duha 20/119

Al-abrar in Al-Jannat would never see shamsi 76/13

Therefore fajar and isha’i are part of layl not nahar and Tarafayi alnnahari in 11/114 does not refer to any of the two; it refers to zuhur and asr

Taraf does not always mean extremity or edge etc it also means section, part or group; motion such eye blink; shape such as oval, ball, curve etc

The usages of the word taraf are repeated eleven times in the quran

3/127

11/114

13/41

14/43

20/130

21/44

27/40

37/48

38/52

42/45

55/56

The word yooliju in 56/6 is referring intersection or pass through of layl into nahar or nahar into layl not widen or shorten as you claimed. It is a daily activity not seasonal

Below are some the usages of the word in the Quran

7/40

34/2

The permission in 2/187 is extended to the time of fajar not beyond.



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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2018, 04:54:52 PM »
Hi again.. Thanks for thoughts.. If u feel what is right continue  do it as long as you knew what is right and still adamant and the it is between  u and your Lord.. God's sees hearts well..
Nahar is always lighted according to Quran whether bright or dim.. It can have it's other meaning..
Duha has other meanings for sure like Salat gives other meaning I Quran.. But as an understanding person always should take and go with the context of the verse and verse before and after probably.
You said almost blindly that 2:187 is Upto fajr..so u indirectly accept night is Upto Fajr..  Quran is clear my dear bad says to have intercourse  or approach  wife nights of fasting.. So it's our duty to find what is night.. You claim  till sunrise is night and still say QURAN orders.. No further comments.. God knows your heart and let's meet in sha Allah in the day of ressurection and find out what actually  was right unless u understand it before death.. T c

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Re: 5 Salat a day
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2018, 05:19:28 PM »
Hi folks ..those who think in Chapter 91 duha is only morning brightness, they think night covers only morning  brightness 😊in that verse.. Or they claim night covers object sun.. Funny.. May b they think night can cover flashing bright ball called sun