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Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« on: January 22, 2018, 09:55:42 PM »
Some days ago Turkey decided to launch an operation in Syria known as the "Olive Branch", the point of it is to capture Afrin and right now they seem to be advancing there. The US said that if they got attacked they would retaliate (which was directed at Turkey, I remember reading the article somewhere), do you think there will be a war between Turkey and the US? The relations between the two countries seem to have strained a lot nowadays:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_military_intervention_in_Afrin


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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 02:40:59 AM »
Nope, Turkey is a member of NATO and the US has nothing to gain and too much to lose for supporting Kurdish group in Syria.

But the above is the 'logical and sensical' way of political thinking.
Given the current president is illogical and erratic, who knows what he might decide..

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 07:32:19 AM »
True but the other NATO countries (with the exception of perhaps some) don't seem to be that supportive of Turkey in Syria? Anyway I read that the YPG/SDF is reinforcing through the regime areas to Afrin, they recently made a deal with the regime which was that they would raise the red Syrian flag in the SDF-controlled areas in exchange for help in Afrin and then there was something else that I can't remember. It looks a lot like Russia somewhat traded Afrin over Idlib with Turkey which is probaly why the YPG made an official statement against Russia.

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2018, 11:52:24 AM »
It looks a lot like Russia somewhat traded Afrin over Idlib with Turkey which is probaly why the YPG made an official statement against Russia. [/size][/font]

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2018, 12:13:57 PM »
Not sure what you mean by that. Trump can't really affect anything what goes on between Russia and Turkey if I'm not wrong. If I remember it right the US actually seems to have a very weird position when it comes to the conflict between Turkey and the YPG but it's not suprising since they only want war between nations and groups. I've read news of itself either supporting Turkey or taking decisions that goes against Turkey like that part were they said they would retaliate which was directed at Turkey but who knows this could be fake news. Especially the Pentagon and organizations like the CIA whom seem to be very divided on this conflict. I think the problem is a lot that seems to be stated on the news can't be verified. But I do think the trade happened because prior to the Turkish invasion of Afrin, Turkish diplomats traveled to Russia to talk about Syria and the day after Russia decided to withdraw all its soldiers from Afrin and obviously I'd say they got Idlib in return but their withdrawal is definently not coincidental but sure you can also argue they did it to get out of the coming firefights.


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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2018, 02:01:03 PM »
Oh you are so naive in politics.. do you think this is about a piece of land in middle east???
Nonetheless you will understand soon once series of events unfold...
Russia will become the ultimate gainer and the US ultimate loser... in Syrian conflict..

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2018, 02:23:16 PM »
I mean that for Russia it's better that if the SAA regained more land since they will be one step closer towards recapturing Syria which is what their goal is. For the Syrian regime it would mean a win to recapture Idlib since it's quite a large piece of land and recapturing all of it is what they pretty much want. They also do want the other land from the Kurds for example. I also think they would rather want FSA taking over Afrin because if the FSA is in control of Afrin they would stand a better chance than against the SDF. The SDF is protected by the US Airforce and there has been clashes between the SDF and the regime in places like Qamishli from time to time were the regime has often lost and in every conflict that took place the US Airforce was always involved


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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 07:33:20 PM »
Peace

The U.S. has been an empire way before Trump. Military bases in over 100 nations, regime change, interventionist policies, sanctions (basically declarations of war). The military industrial complex is all about war and I'd say the U.S. government (who thinks of itself as the police of the world) is not in the habit of kowtowing to allies when it puts its mind to something. Is Trump a warmonger, sure, but so was Obama, and Bush, and Clinton, etc. John McCain has not seen a war he does not like and neocons are all over congress. They were there before Trump. They will be there afterwards. War is always an option. I do not think it will happen, but if it did I doubt the so-called war weary American public will do much about it. That was a big issue when this government was originally set up, that is, the people keeping the government in check which has grown to monstrous form.

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 10:09:09 PM »
Haha on specific days during the year Putin, Trump, president of Turkey, Hasad and all the other puppet leaders are summoned by their ashkenazi overlords and play and chat and discuss how to get their masters wealthier by manufacturing conflicts. Then the unbeknownst people like ourselves discuss about politics assuming they're not all in on it.
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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2018, 05:54:27 AM »
Syria shoots down an Israeli F-16

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/10/israeli-fighter-jet-shot-down-by-syrian-fire-says-military

Why are zionist air forces on Syria there in first place? And any evidence of aggression by Iran? Or was it Israel who are the aggressor?

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2018, 07:46:42 AM »
According to how things usually pan out, one can guess  which of the possible options from these:
1-Iran did send a drone over Israel,from Syria of course,to initiate the trouble.
2-Syria,as well as fighting a war in its own country wants to pick another war with Israel.
3-Israel,carrying on with its policy of "defending itself", is playing another war game and is(Israel/mossad) the master mind of this particular incident.
It seems that justifying actions are games and "proper evidence " can be very hard to investigate ,so the" world order" most of the time will overlook evidence sometimes for the sake of friendship and reputation.
Who will believe a "rogue/terrorist state"( What the world order calls rogue/terrorist, of course) even if there is evidence they are innocent or set up?
Someone more powerful than all of them has all the details recorded, all are oblivious to it. Whoever does bad will receive bad sooner(here) or later(hereafter).
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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2018, 11:15:16 AM »
Ever since the civil war Israel has continuously violated Syrian airspace since it sees an opportunity in attacking. Prior to the civil war the Israelis would be hiding behind the borders and never dare to enter Syrian airspace. The Israeli plane that was downed had actually bombed an Iranian base in Syria before it got downed so it was Israel that was the aggressor. Israel doesn't actually dare to enter Syrian airspace now since the Syrian Air Defence have a strong presence in the southern part with a lot of AA batteries in place protecting against any Israeli airstrikes (although they often fail at preventing Israeli missiles from hitting their target) and the regime is regaining ground in the south too so it will be able to expand its air defence further which explains how they managed to shoot down the Israeli plane. Instead what Israel does is it often fires missiles using the Lebanese and its own airspace making it hard for the SAD to retaliate against their planes and any missiles fired at their plane get intercepted expect this one managed to hit the plane sucessfully. An Israeli F-15 was also reportedly hit by a missile.

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2018, 12:50:04 PM »
Ever since the civil war Israel has continuously violated Syrian airspace since it sees an opportunity in attacking. Prior to the civil war the Israelis would be hiding behind the borders and never dare to enter Syrian airspace. The Israeli plane that was downed had actually bombed an Iranian base in Syria before it got downed so it was Israel that was the aggressor. Israel doesn't actually dare to enter Syrian airspace now since the Syrian Air Defence have a strong presence in the southern part with a lot of AA batteries in place protecting against any Israeli airstrikes (although they often fail at preventing Israeli missiles from hitting their target) and the regime is regaining ground in the south too so it will be able to expand its air defence further which explains how they managed to shoot down the Israeli plane. Instead what Israel does is it often fires missiles using the Lebanese and its own airspace making it hard for the SAD to retaliate against their planes and any missiles fired at their plane get intercepted expect this one managed to hit the plane sucessfully. An Israeli F-15 was also reportedly hit by a missile.
Why is Zionist air forces bombing a Iranian base & why is there a Iranian base stationed in Syria?

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2018, 11:06:31 PM »
Why is Zionist air forces bombing a Iranian base & why is there a Iranian base stationed in Syria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict

And Israel found an ally in Saudi Arabia.. (The enemy of my enemy is my friend)

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2018, 03:23:24 PM »
According to how things usually pan out, one can guess  which of the possible options from these:
1-Iran did send a drone over Israel,from Syria of course,to initiate the trouble.
2-Syria,as well as fighting a war in its own country wants to pick another war with Israel.
3-Israel,carrying on with its policy of "defending itself", is playing another war game and is(Israel/mossad) the master mind of this particular incident.
It seems that justifying actions are games and "proper evidence " can be very hard to investigate ,so the" world order" most of the time will overlook evidence sometimes for the sake of friendship and reputation.
Who will believe a "rogue/terrorist state"( What the world order calls rogue/terrorist, of course) even if there is evidence they are innocent or set up?
Someone more powerful than all of them has all the details recorded, all are oblivious to it. Whoever does bad will receive bad sooner(here) or later(hereafter).
GOD bless.
Peace.

Option 3 happens very often, i.e. Israel likes to victimize itself a lot and in most cases it sadly gets away with it too with the help of the US. Israel actually gets away with a lot of its crimes too (including breaking international laws such as violating Syrian airspace) and any resolution taking place against Israel will just be VETO'd by the US while the US builds bases in Syria and is occupying the country. The US is actually destablizing Syria for the sake of Israel just notice how interested the US is in the region compared to other regions were conflicts happen very often too. The US is literally part of Axis of evil along with Israel and countries like Saudi Arabia. What Syria needs right now is a group that will stand up against both the regime and the terrorist groups, sadly any such group will easily be hjiacked by countries like the US with the intentions of keeping Syria destroyed through balkanization.

Why is Zionist air forces bombing a Iranian base & why is there a Iranian base stationed in Syria?

Iran has a lot of bases in Syria and they've always had a presence at one point even prior to the civil war I believe, only now that Iran has increased its presence to prevent the regime from losing ground against the opposition and other forces and to retaliate against Israel. They are usually present in the eastern and southern part of Syria and had a major influence in driving away terrorist ISIS from parts of Aleppo and east of Syria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict

And Israel found an ally in Saudi Arabia.. (The enemy of my enemy is my friend)

What do you think about this that happened recently? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_bombing_of_Damascus_and_Homs

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2018, 11:52:35 PM »
It's all about the pipelines and who will control these prizes.

Possible war between Turkey and the US?

It's possible, both Turkey and the U.S. (among others) are heavily invested in the region.




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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2018, 12:47:09 AM »
There is certainly a very strong drive for a III world war, of course, like it is the use, hidden behind any pretexts and disguised in very pious eaims, but nevertheless that is what is there.

I think if we are not there yet it is because Rusia has not taken the bait, but I guess it will go on till we all get our III world war, when every attainment and improvement for the human lot will be thrown to the winds for everybody not just for the present victims.

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2018, 05:28:20 AM »
Similarly to Russia Turkey will not bash at the U.S., they have different power scale. The media rhetoric’s does not mean what they say on Twitter and the TV means their actual position, quite the opposite. Modern world's politics are 90% media based with presidents/leaders of most countries being media figures and not the actual politicians as during the WWII period. Thus their rhetoric’s should not scare you.

Russia for instance is a fake state, which is a vassal to the U.S. (and so is Turkey) and is never really going to nor is capable of fighting the U.S. both in military let alone economic terms. Unless the U.S. will cease to exist and a power vacuum will happen there Russia will remain subject to the Western power.

Russia lost its sovereignty after the collapse of the Soviet regime, enough said. They could easily make 20-30 countries after its collapse on its territory, but they decided to keep their territory why? Simple. Because it is easy to control and exchange resources from one centralized Moscow-based oligarchy rather than control the vacuum, which would exist on the former Soviet territory happen there become multiple small-middle sized states instead of a one centralized subject which keeps under its control 30% of the Earth mass.

One example of how Russia is subject to U.S. is its recent aggression in Syria, it happened 1,5 years ago when Obama's administration basically told Putin to go attack Syria so that they would lower the sanctions pressure on them.

Another example of how Russia's oligarchy and statesmen are subject to direct Western control is because their kids, banks, offshore money, houses and basically the estate is subject to the Western banks and they all have houses and families in the West and are ready to flee there. Putin's regime will mostly flee to the West after his last presidency. They can make them bankrupt any second.

Basic analytics are enough to understand the world's political situation.

These vassal states are needed to hold control in their respective regions but there is only one Empire usually, these days it is the bloody U.S. They can be strong enough to execute control in their respective regions but not even close to excercice Empirical power. I am talking about the Turkey, Russia and China. They brainwash people into fake patriotism but are basically slave states with corrupt regimes.

I also strongly suggest not to side with ANY force whatsoever and look at the hidden message of the Quran which hopefully will be revealed soon. This message will be similar to what Isa son of Miryem once told.  As of right now if you 'analyze' world's politics based on the fake news, you can be easily labeled as the lost tribe of banu Yisraeli, the so called lost muslims, which is basically an everlasting position of most people ever living, it is a common characteristics, nothing to be scared of, but undesirable, in my opinion. Increase your analytic capabilities everyone.



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I suggest everyone read 1984 by Orwell, G. to see what the WWIII will possibly be like.

Also, the Prince by N.Machiavelli is a good body of historical knowledge to give you some nice perception of what the State as a political body really is. Any state. There are no 'good' or 'bad' states, forget about this criteria.
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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2018, 05:55:28 AM »

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Re: Possible war between Turkey and the US?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2018, 08:55:45 PM »
First of all, wikipedia? Really?
Dodgy really dodgy, how do you start a war and put your life on the line for a specific cause (an "Islamic state") and then all of a sudden flip the script(Syrian-nationalism).
Either the information from wikipedia is very dubious or this group itself is very dubious. Perhaps their identity has been confused or perhaps the leaders have been paid off, either way not a trustworthy lot if you asked me.

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