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MaryK

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Bearing period 6 months?
« on: November 24, 2017, 02:29:59 PM »
Hey guys. Could someone pls tell me why the quran says bearing period is 6
Months when its actually 9 months?

Noon waalqalami

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Re: Bearing period 6 months?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 03:22:46 AM »
Hey guys. Could someone pls tell me why the quran says bearing period is 6
Months when its actually 9 months?

peace, it's NOT fixed 6 months and variable; already answered for you here:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609864.msg410653#msg410653


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Re: Bearing period 6 months?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 09:48:00 AM »
Hey guys. Could someone pls tell me why the quran says bearing period is 6
Months when its actually 9 months?

Salaam MaryK,
Please be aware that Quran use different calculation and definition for the bearing period. It's not necessary to follow the term "9 months pregnancy" used in modern medical knowledge. I prefer to use 40 weeks pregnancy to make it easier for you.

Al Quran use luni-solar calendar based on fact stated in 10:5 and 17:12. So the term month is referring to the lunar month (29.5 days) and year is referring to solar year (365 days).

So let's start with this verse first,

46:15 And We enjoined the human being to do good to his parents. His mother bore him with hardship, gave birth to him in hardship, and his bearing and weaning lasts thirty months.

2:233 And the birth mothers may suckle their children for two years complete, if they wish to complete the suckling.

So lets extract all those cycles into small fraction based on Luni-solar calculation,

Bearing+Weaning = 30 months = 30 x 29.5 = 885 days
Weaning = 2 years = 2 x 365 days = 730 days = 730/29.5 =  ~24 months

Now we can calculate the bearing period just like this:  885 - 730 = 155 days, or 155/29.5 = ~5.25 months

So where's the rest compare to the "9 months" pregnancy?

In Quran,.. the first 4 months and 10 days doesn't count as bearing period,..but this one is called "interim period". But actually it's the same as first 4 months of bearing period in modern medical knowledge. You can find it in the next verse:

2:234 And those of you whose lives are terminated, and they leave wives behind, they will have a required interim period of four months and ten.

Now lets do the same thing:

Interim period = 4 months + 10 days = 128 days

If you sum up all those number of days, it will be like this:

Interim period+Bearing Period : 128 +  155 days = 283 days.

Now you can divide that number of days into week : 283 days / 7 = 40 weeks.

It will fit all modern medical knowledge which is 40 weeks preganancy.

https://www.fitpregnancy.com/pregnancy/week-week-pregnancy

All these calculation only work in Luni-Solar calendar which has the length of the month is 29.5 days and the length of the year is 365 days instead of 354 days.

Hope this helps.

Peace

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Re: Bearing period 6 months?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2018, 01:28:50 PM »
Salaam MaryK,
Please be aware that Quran use different calculation and definition for the bearing period. It's not necessary to follow the term "9 months pregnancy" used in modern medical knowledge. I prefer to use 40 weeks pregnancy to make it easier for you.

Al Quran use luni-solar calendar based on fact stated in 10:5 and 17:12. So the term month is referring to the lunar month (29.5 days) and year is referring to solar year (365 days).

So let's start with this verse first,

46:15 And We enjoined the human being to do good to his parents. His mother bore him with hardship, gave birth to him in hardship, and his bearing and weaning lasts thirty months.

2:233 And the birth mothers may suckle their children for two years complete, if they wish to complete the suckling.

So lets extract all those cycles into small fraction based on Luni-solar calculation,

Bearing+Weaning = 30 months = 30 x 29.5 = 885 days
Weaning = 2 years = 2 x 365 days = 730 days = 730/29.5 =  ~24 months

Now we can calculate the bearing period just like this:  885 - 730 = 155 days, or 155/29.5 = ~5.25 months

So where's the rest compare to the "9 months" pregnancy?

In Quran,.. the first 4 months and 10 days doesn't count as bearing period,..but this one is called "interim period". But actually it's the same as first 4 months of bearing period in modern medical knowledge. You can find it in the next verse:

2:234 And those of you whose lives are terminated, and they leave wives behind, they will have a required interim period of four months and ten.

Now lets do the same thing:

Interim period = 4 months + 10 days = 128 days

If you sum up all those number of days, it will be like this:

Interim period+Bearing Period : 128 +  155 days = 283 days.

Now you can divide that number of days into week : 283 days / 7 = 40 weeks.

It will fit all modern medical knowledge which is 40 weeks preganancy.

https://www.fitpregnancy.com/pregnancy/week-week-pregnancy

All these calculation only work in Luni-Solar calendar which has the length of the month is 29.5 days and the length of the year is 365 days instead of 354 days.

Hope this helps.

Peace
Simple yet detailed. Nice work brother.

Noon waalqalami

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Re: Bearing period 6 months?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2018, 04:39:30 PM »
Bearing+Weaning = 30 months = 30 x 29.5 = 885 days
Weaning = 2 years = 2 x 365 days = 730 days = 730/29.5 =  ~24 months

Now we can calculate the bearing period just like this:  885 - 730 = 155 days, or 155/29.5 = ~5.25 months

peace, no mixing unrelated terms and math is incorrect.

This is solving an inequality; pregnancies time and weaning time/separation are variable.

In most cases pregnancy is 9 lunar months and require 21 months (30 - 9) breastfeeding.

Solve inequality equation thus:

31:14 وفصاله wafiṣāluhu/and separation his فى in/within/less than عامىن āmayni/year two

46:15 وحمله wahamluhu/and carry his وفصاله wafisaluhu/and separation his ثلثون thirty شهرا shahran


p = pregnancy time/carry his/said person (variable)
w = weaning time/separation his/said person (variable)

w < 709 days {31:14 24 x (lunar months / day) = 708.73416 days}

886 - p < 709 {46:15 30 x (lunar months / day) = 885.9177 days}

p = 177+ days

Therefore babies born earlier require more weaning and vice versa which covers wide range.

30 shr   pregnancy   weaning time   
(days)   days   mts   days   mts
886   177   6   709   24
886   207   7   679   23
886   236   8   650   22
886   266   9   620   21 (i.e. most pregnancies)
886   295   10   591   20

https://www.verywell.com/worlds-smallest-preemies-2748663

Born September 4, 2004, Rumasia Rahman is currently the worlds smallest premature baby to have survived from birth until hospital discharge.

Rumasia and her fraternal twin sister Hiba were born at 25.6 weeks gestation, just over 15 weeks before their due date. At birth, Rumasia weighed just 260 grams, or 8.6 ounces—about the size of a small cell phone. She was 9.8 inches long. Rumasias twin sister Hiba was more than twice her size, at 1 lb 4 oz and 12 inches long.

25.6 Weeks = 179.2 Days = 6.07 lunar months
Therefore the twin sisters require less than 24 lunar months (30 - 6.07 = 23.93) breastfeeding.


http://www.newhealthguide.org/Longest-Pregnancy.html

In 1945, for example, Beulah Hunter who was 25 at the time gave birth after a pregnancy lasting 375 days, which is slightly over a year and almost 100 days more than the average human gestational period. The length of the pregnancy was confirmed by examining her pregnancy test and menstrual cycle. Doctors feel that the long pregnancy was because the child developed extremely slowly in the womb when compared to the average child but despite this, Hunters daughter, named Penny Diana was healthy and normal at birth.

375 days = 12.7 lunar months
Therefore Penny requires slightly more than 17 lunar months (30 - 12.7 = 17.3) breastfeeding.



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Re: Bearing period 6 months?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 11:33:38 AM »
@ Noon waalqalami
Thanks for your reply brother. Hopefully can be an inspiration for others.

Salaam