if you were a pet

[Cerberus]

This is a little bit of a random talk, but imagine if you were a cat will you prefer to live indoor where you have a safe shelter and plenty of food that someone else is providing for you, or outdoor where you can go wherever you want and only relie on yourself to guarantee your food and safety.

Knowing that, or maybe not knowing that your chance of dying out there is pretty high, will you live indoor* where chances of dying are very low but without your freedom, or will you live outdoor* where your chances of dying are pretty high but with your entire freedom ?

In a more abstract way, will you choose to take full responsibility of your life even if it implies facing constant life threatening danger, or will you relay part of that responsibility to someone else (higher than you) and live under that person's protection and supply for as long as you can but cage yourself inside that dude's appartement ?

[Cerberus]

forgive the dummy example, but do you think living, in its purest sense, entails abundance of food, safety, and good health ?

[huruf]

Most people do not choose so much and animals, depends the species, the race, the variety. Depends where you are bon and grow up. To throw out an animal that has always dependen on you and has not lernt to fence for itself is unconscionable. On the other hand, there are animals that escape. Whether they repent or not I do not know. At my gradparents house there was a cat who left in the summer and spent the summer away fencing, I guess for himself, and returned home for the winter. Which is fine, mice do the same thing, so he followed the hunt or the food.

Salaam 

[Cerberus]

don't you think that all they need they already have ? what about those people who declaw their cats and neuter them, turning them into one of their many home furniture.  Now my point isn't solely about pets, but anyone in the position of a pet. We could be the pets of an established system too.

We (as beings) could even be the pets of our own self. If both inside and outside factors are impeding our actions and willingness then we could very well be the dogs with the leash. However, would that still be a life since we (like home pets) are safe, have plenty of food, and good health ? Can you say we're alive ?

[huruf]

There are all kinds of things under the sun. Any value appreciation we make as to its goodness or badness is always our own appreciation not that of the subject we make the appreciation about. Everything is possible. I think that a cat that is ill treated, too much ill treated would show it up in some disease or sickness. Animals whose state of mind we can appreciate can laso have depression.

Animal sin circuses, some people say that that is not natural, which may be or not be, it depends what you call natural, but also natural is not synonime of good nor unnatural synonime of bad. As said, if  bear in circus is ill treated it will show up in him bein gsick or depressed or bad health. On the other hand, wild animals in freedom seem to have much shorter life expectations. Many people also have never worked nor done any effort to earn their living and are quite happy. Some would say they are useless or lazy bastards,but on the other hand ?could we say they are unhappy?.

Are we going to create like in the United Arab Emirates a ministry for happiness?

On the one hand, we should be kind wind respectful of every creature, on the other we are not God to KNOW what is good for them or what is not good and to impose our view on others.

Salaam

[Cerberus]

I'm saying "alive" not "happy", using those two interchangeably is arguably not true.

On the other hand, wild animals in freedom seem to have much shorter life expectations.

Is a longer life expectancy a worthy tradeoff with one's freedom ?

Many people also have never worked nor done any effort to earn their living and are quite happy. Some would say they are useless or lazy bastards,but on the other hand ?could we say they are unhappy?.

Can we say they are better than dead, better than non-existing ?

on the other we are not God to KNOW what is good for them or what is not good and to impose our view on others.

Does it take to be a god to tell whether one is living or a leashed pet ? shouldn't we be fully aware of what living is specially since we are going to die at the end of the day ?

[Cerberus]

What makes one's existence better than his non-existence ? i.e what makes one living, and therefore worthy of dying ?

Dead people are not worthy of dying.

What should happen between one's birth and one's death ? to "Live".
And what is to be alive ?

And if you were a pet, are you alive ?

[good logic]

I like discussing life!!!
Say you live according to this way:
Work,eat drink,sleep,interact,socialise,ask some questions(not too deep) find some hobbies,raise a family,build a house,get a nice car,have holidays... Day to day habits that do not burden your mind or even physique.

Or you live your life according to this way:
Worried,poor,not knowing where your next meal is going to come from,slaving for others,begging others,in fights with others,getting into trouble with people ,the law,getting into bad habits,no time to even ask questions/think... Day to day burdens and hassle.

Or say you live,your life according to this way:
Abundantly rich ,large mansion,all the luxuries you require/need are present,servants galore,idolised,lord of the manor,leader of the pack,happy and proud of what you are/have...Day to day extravagance.

Or say you live your life according to many other ways:
Mainly a combination of the three above. i.e ups and downs...Day to day,then years to years changes to your status.

Now,are you saying there are other ways? You mean "get out of them three ways". How?

Do you mean them three ways are "pets"? Pets to systems,circumstances and destinies?

Free yourself from ways that are meaningless? Except our definitions of "pet" are so wide and varied,we think we are not "pets"!!!

Oh can we be "pets" to  a completely different system? Any system,including a Creator s system?

Perhaps whichever way we go/choose we will always be "pets"?
GOD bless.
Peace.

[Cerberus]

Sure, combine many variables (economical, geographical, intellectual, physical, time and space related, etc etc) and create billions and billions of life stories ready to unfold.

What's the common point between these billions of life stories that different people endure during their different life span ? Surely the end of the trip is one common point, but what's the other common point (if there is one) that make these people worth having to go through life (i.e exist) instead of not existing at all in the first place ?


The sun keeps shining on this earth, always as strong as it can, everyday without procrastinations in great hopes for us people to live. But sometimes at the end of the day when the sun is going down and leaving behind it a nice little goodbye (cya tomorrow?) I can only ask myself whether I have truly lived today and met the "sun"'s expectations for all that shining and colorful goodbye ? Was it worth it Sun ?

It is clear that the whole universe expects you to live. so it is only natural to ask what living is ?

[good logic]

I d say living is finding who you really are.  As simple as that.
It may take years,decades,even a century if you live that long. Or you may never find out who you really are ,until you come back?

One thing for sure,if you have other priorities ,beside the main one of finding out who you really are,then your living is an illusion.
My take on living.
GOD bless you.
Peace.