Chronological order of revelation

[Makaveli]

I have noticed Rashad Khalifa movement's website includes the chronological order of the Qur'anic chapters. This is strange considering the fact that this movement should be Quran alone. How can they reject hadiths and simultaneously accept the chronology?


What is the stance of the current community regarding revelation? What do you think, was Qur'an written in full or were the ayats revealed in parts?

Now consider this, most Old Testament prophets always recieved revelation behind the back of the crowd. People never saw revelation themselves.

* ?Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aisha.?
{Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 47, Number 755}

*?the Divine inspiration never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman amongst you except her."
{Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 57, Hadith 119}


This hadith is authentic, I have Bukhari, but I copypasted the above from the website.

[Man of Faith]

According to my research, the chapters are not consistent and therefore the true order might be different. As far as I have seen, chapter 2 is not the beginning of a context but jumps right unto an ongoing one, but this is only possible to see if understanding that the الم introducing the chapter can only be used when referring to something which has already been said, for Alam الم there is supposed to be read as a word before Dhalek ذلك.

For what we know, we cannot know for sure that the Quran we have in our hands is in the order it was originally written to be in. It only takes switching the order of pages/scrolls/parchment.

Besides the chapter names and basmalahs, nothing even indicates they are the beginnings of chapters and early manuscripts do not have them (or at least not basmalas before chapter 9).

I am ready to take a look at hadith "Surah order" in order to see if there is any increase in consistency by that.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

[good logic]

In short,GOD has overseen/planned/made sure... that Qoran was collected and put into the order we have it:
75:16
Do not move your tongue to hasten it.
لا تُحَرِّك بِهِ لِسانَكَ لِتَعجَلَ بِهِ
75:17
It is we who will collect it into Quran.
إِنَّ عَلَينا جَمعَهُ وَقُرءانَهُ
75:18
Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran.
فَإِذا قَرَأنٰهُ فَاتَّبِع قُرءانَهُ

Basically the Qoran is protected and preserved by GOD s  interlock mathematical system. Letters ,words.verses and surahs have been ordered and locked together mathematically.
We have touched only a little bit of it so far. .More to come by the quantum computer generations in the future.
Here are a couple of examples:
1- Surah 2 has 286 verses. Verse 143 is exactly in the middle" We have made you a -middle"Wasatan"nation-even the number of letters of the verses before are equal to the number of letters of the verses after in the surah. You can never do that randomly or if you change 
verses order.
We know this is surah 2 because GOD says in it "Produce one surah like it (like surah one). Look at surah one mathematical miracle!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mathematcal+miraclre+of+qoran&view=detail&mid=8BA9A747F6B61A9254CA8BA9A747F6B61A9254CA&FORM=VIRE
Then in surah 11,GOD says produce ten surahs like it(the last ten surahs).i.e surah 2 and surah 11 are in the right order.
2- In surah Ankabut(The spider 29:14) GOD said Noah stayed/lined 1000 less 50. In surah Noah(Nooh) there are 950 letters.
...Only a tip of the iceberg....
From my ongoing study ,I am certain GOD ordered the Qoran as we have it and locked every letter, word,verse and surah mathematically,Interlock at its best.A miracle to top all previous miracles.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[huruf]

In short,GOD has overseen/planned/made sure... that Qoran was collected and put into the order we have it:
75:16
Do not move your tongue to hasten it.
لا تُحَرِّك بِهِ لِسانَكَ لِتَعجَلَ بِهِ
75:17
It is we who will collect it into Quran.
إِنَّ عَلَينا جَمعَهُ وَقُرءانَهُ
75:18
Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran.
فَإِذا قَرَأنٰهُ فَاتَّبِع قُرءانَهُ

Basically the Qoran is protected and preserved by GOD s  interlock mathematical system. Letters ,words.verses and surahs have been ordered and locked together mathematically.
We have touched only a little bit of it so far. .More to come by the quantum computer generations in the future.
Here are a couple of examples:
1- Surah 2 has 286 verses. Verse 143 is exactly in the middle" We have made you a -middle"Wasatan"nation-even the number of letters of the verses before are equal to the number of letters of the verses after in the surah. You can never do that randomly or if you change 
verses order.
We know this is surah 2 because GOD says in it "Produce one surah like it (like surah one). Look at surah one mathematical miracle!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mathematcal+miraclre+of+qoran&view=detail&mid=8BA9A747F6B61A9254CA8BA9A747F6B61A9254CA&FORM=VIRE
Then in surah 11,GOD says produce ten surahs like it(the last ten surahs).i.e surah 2 and surah 11 are in the right order.
2- In surah Ankabut(The spider 29:14) GOD said Noah stayed/lined 1000 less 50. In surah Noah(Nooh) there are 950 letters.
...Only a tip of the iceberg....
From my ongoing study ,I am certain GOD ordered the Qoran as we have it and locked every letter, word,verse and surah mathematically,Interlock at its best.A miracle to top all previous miracles.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

That is interesting, indeed, although I have to say that the present order to me seems fine. I hav no quarrel with the Qur'an as it is. That there is some mathematical interlocking, great, but criticisms about its present order or wording or so many other kinds of criticism, to me point to some desire of the persons who make them that the Qur'an be in some othr way which they seem to prefer, but not to anything really objectionable in itself.

As to the mathematical aspect I have not attempted anything of that kind although some people have raised objections in the sense that it depends on how you count letters and things like that.

Salaam

[Makaveli]

According to my research, the chapters are not consistent and therefore the true order might be different. As far as I have seen, chapter 2 is not the beginning of a context but jumps right unto an ongoing one, but this is only possible to see if understanding that the الم introducing the chapter can only be used when referring to something which has already been said, for Alam الم there is supposed to be read as a word before Dhalek ذلك.

For what we know, we cannot know for sure that the Quran we have in our hands is in the order it was originally written to be in. It only takes switching the order of pages/scrolls/parchment.

Besides the chapter names and basmalahs, nothing even indicates they are the beginnings of chapters and early manuscripts do not have them (or at least not basmalas before chapter 9).

I am ready to take a look at hadith "Surah order" in order to see if there is any increase in consistency by that.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Peace,

Hadith order was invented in order to convince people that the prophet had the surahs and ayats revealed (even though as you mentioned there are no chapter titles in the old manuscripts) during his prophetic career. So this chronological order you will see only shows the history of Islam as they portray it. And there also might be different versions of these chronological chapters.

[Makaveli]

In short,GOD has overseen/planned/made sure... that Qoran was collected and put into the order we have it:
75:16
Do not move your tongue to hasten it.
لا تُحَرِّك بِهِ لِسانَكَ لِتَعجَلَ بِهِ
75:17
It is we who will collect it into Quran.
إِنَّ عَلَينا جَمعَهُ وَقُرءانَهُ
75:18
Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran.
فَإِذا قَرَأنٰهُ فَاتَّبِع قُرءانَهُ

Peace,

There are different opinions on those verses. Sam Gerran's for instance has quite another translation and justification of these verses, pleare read it, for example.

[good logic]

I have checked him and many other translations.
I am certain GOD composed His book mathematically after my many years of checking and studying.
I have no doubt that GOD is telling us we do not need history or hadiths or any other man made system to check His words. We need our intellect,reasoning and His laws(Mathematical/Physics laws) .
GOD is putting a challenge to all generations by posing the question:DO you think this Qoran is human made? This Qoran is a miracle that can only be authored by GOD Alone:
"Kitabun Marqoom Yashhaduhu Al Mukarraboon". A mathematically composed book to be witnessed by those who want to come near!!!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace

[Man of Faith]

Peace,

Hadith order was invented in order to convince people that the prophet had the surahs and ayats revealed (even though as you mentioned there are no chapter titles in the old manuscripts) during his prophetic career. So this chronological order you will see only shows the history of Islam as they portray it. And there also might be different versions of these chronological chapters.

There is a probability, but I am still interested in placing the chapters in their "revelation order" just to see what happens. Like you say I will probably not find anything useful though and it is that the medieval interpreters who used revelation order in order to make use of their "inserted interpretation" on top of an innocent script.

And the revelation order does not mean anything if the adhesion of chapters does not lead to chapters being consistent. If I do not find a beginning of chapter 2 it is useless.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

[huruf]

I have checked him and many other translations.
I am certain GOD composed His book mathematically after my many years of checking and studying.
I have no doubt that GOD is telling us we do not need history or hadiths or any other man made system to check His words. We need our intellect,reasoning and His laws(Mathematical/Physics laws) .
GOD is putting a challenge to all generations by posing the question:DO you think this Qoran is human made? This Qoran is a miracle that can only be authored by GOD Alone:
"Kitabun Marqoom Yashhaduhu Al Mukarraboon". A mathematically composed book to be witnessed by those who want to come near!!!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace

Agree withyou good logic, as I said I have not attempted the mathematical way bcause I really do not feel the need, but of course it would be no surprise that it was there.

On the other hand, the fact that there are no "wars", nor record of there having been, between different Qur'ans is proof, to me at least, that God preserved it and that the Prophet, in a hadith or history-free way, did a great job of tranmitting it entirely and faithfully. Match that.

Salaam

[Lost]

Everybody keeps saying surah 96 was the first to be revealed, but we actually have no proof for that other than how the surah really looks somewhat different from all the other surah. It would be very interesting to clear that out. The hadithic revelation order always puzzled me. If I had to bet, I'd say they created it to fit the verses with events they invented for the prophet, thus creating life contexts for every verse. For instance, I remember the verse in surah 18 dealing about how we should say inshallah for actions we would do in the future, the hadith say that this particular verse was revealed when the prophet forgot to say inshallah when telling the people that he would answer them about the people of the cave ''tomorrow''. Because of this, the prophet didn't receive revelation for 15 days till the verse about inshallah was revealed !!! Honestly I think this is ridiculous...