Note on 4:34 and Sam Gerrans.

[SarahY]

Never said anything was scary or bad about hijab nor was I rejecting modesty. I was simply letting you know how meanings can develop and morph - this is my view coming from an Arabic speaking background. Besides you have pointed out people who are fluent in Arabic can translate certain verses differently.

I re-read your post I now see your stance is that ?leave? is the best suited translation in counteracting the beat interpretation. Thing is the verse mentions steps to take from ?fear of ill conduct?, so based on your logical understanding, what kind of leave is it?

Root system just helps people understand basic meanings of words. After all, words have an etymology and not everyone is a walking dictionary/encyclopedia. Just like one would read a word they are unfamiliar with in English, people use dictionaries to help understand. I don't see the big deal in the equivalent in other languages.

Peace

[Makaveli]

Never said anything was scary or bad about hijab nor was I rejecting modesty. I was simply letting you know how meanings can develop and morph - this is my view coming from an Arabic speaking background. Besides you have pointed out people who are fluent in Arabic can translate certain verses differently.

I re-read your post I now see your stance is that ?leave? is the best suited translation in counteracting the beat interpretation. Thing is the verse mentions steps to take from ?fear of ill conduct?, so based on your logical understanding, what kind of leave is it?

Root system just helps people understand basic meanings of words. After all, words have an etymology and not everyone is a walking dictionary/encyclopedia. Just like one would read a word they are unfamiliar with in English, people use dictionaries to help understand. I don't see the big deal in the equivalent in other languages.

Peace

My stance on leave vs beat here is specifically based on Sam Gerrans's interpretation of 4:34. I [kindly] asked him to [once again] review his interpretation because it does not make sense, as it is a subject to numerous questions, including mine. If he claims his Last Revelation is the way he needs to further elaborate on 4:34 as it is arguably the most important verse [for an ordinary man], as I exlained in one of my later messages on Facebook [after he 'responded' back]. What he is basing his argument [see his youtube video or a note under the term in 4:34 of his translation] on is Eastern Orthodox 'Domostroi', which is the same as if he said "Look, all traditional hadiths use 'beat your wives' so why do I have to translate it any other way?"

In case proposing anything, especially based on his so-called "pan-textual analysis", I strongly believe he has to base his findings on Quran alone and not take examples of traditional Christian books of conduct.

Again, I see nothing "ubnormal" in wives being beat by men throughout the history. I can even admit that some wives deserve to be beaten (but then again, why marry one in the first place in case she is the one from whom you fear [whatever is there to fear]!?). My standpoint here is specifically based on finding the truth in the Quran. I studied his translation until I have reached his stance on 4:34 which I totally failed to accept, given his dubious methodology in this one. And after a brief "conversation" with him on Facebook I decided to completely abandon anything related to Sam Gerrans, as I now consider him a hypocrite. But that's me.

Regarding the languages, semitic one's are especially focused on roots rather than words themselves, that is why it is complex for me to just research Arabic definitions, given complexity of semitic letters themselves for someone who comes from other than Arabic background, compared to if I would just look for German words, for instance, or any other Germanic language.

[Cerberus]

you can have your own understanding of things but you don't have to bash on the guy.

[good logic]

Also,relying on anyone s translation to agree with yours is futile, Why?
Because no matter what others say,our job is to check all the details and agree with some,disagree with some or disagree with most or disagree completely with all.

The fact remains humans are interpreting GOD s words. Humans means background,issues,traditions,bias,ego...etc. Who has not got issues,including messengers and Nabis.?

Agree to disagree and move on to keep going searching for your truth. Only GOD and His words are perfection.
GOD bless.
Peace.

[Makaveli]

you can have your own understanding of things but you don't have to bash on the guy.

Everyone has his/her own [subjective] views on hypocrisy. I expressed mine. And I believe people who consider themselves Quran alone believers should know about his true personality. If you do not consider him a hypocrite, that's fine with me. As I said in my post - in no way I am asking anybody to abandon his translation. I did so because I have reasons to do so based on Sam's personality and actions [which he claims are more important than talks - and he proved he can't be trusted neither based on his translation of 4:34, nor based on his fascistic and snobbish personality]. I regret studying his work.

Irony is how he translated the beggining of the 4:34 - And those from whom you fear haughtiness. Well, thats he who is haughty towards others, based on his "responses" on social media. Such people will never deserve my [personal] attention let alone support.

[Makaveli]

Also,relying on anyone s translation to agree with yours is futile, Why?
Because no matter what others say,our job is to check all the details and agree with some,disagree with some or disagree with most or disagree completely with all.

The fact remains humans are interpreting GOD s words. Humans means background,issues,traditions,bias,ego...etc. Who has not got issues,including messengers and Nabis.?

Agree to disagree and move on to keep going searching for your truth. Only GOD and His words are perfection.
GOD bless.
Peace.

Peace,

This thead is not about his work, except for 4:34 which is biased in my own opinion. It is notably about Sam Gerrans. It is not my intention to slander Gerrans, but to show others. For those of similar views, they will make their own conclusions. If he can't discuss something about his own work with his own followers, block them but then keeps sending his video without giving a chance to further discuss on the issue - he is worse than those fascistic 'psycopaths' about which [the elite] he writes his articles and often makes videos.

[Cerberus]

well, you gotta give him some credits for making an entire video so that people (like yourself) are discouraged from sending him their theories and try to convince him with it. There must be thousands of people doing that.

and obviously his translation is his translation, and his project, and so are his videos. people who are interested in it can buy it. No one is forcing anyone. His stuff has his name all over it. What do you even expect from him? You got your merch lol

even if you think that he didn't handle the situation in the best possible way (debatable), it doesn't make him a hypocrite, or 'someone worth calling out'. people make mistakes.

[Makaveli]

well, you gotta give him some credits for making an entire video so that people (like yourself) are discouraged from sending him their theories and try to convince him with it. There must be thousands of people doing that.

and obviously his translation is his translation, and his project, and so are his videos. people who are interested in it can buy it. No one is forcing anyone. His stuff has his name all over it. What do you even expect from him? You got your merch lol

even if you think that he didn't handle the situation in the best possible way (debatable), it doesn't make him a hypocrite, or 'someone worth calling out'. people make mistakes.

Again, if you fail to see [an obvious] hypocrisy in what he does, based on his [mostly conspirological] attitude towards the elite [which controls the people], but then acts in the same snobish and fascistic manner after I [kindly] ask him to once again review his 4:34 because it has [logical] flaws, to say the least - that's completely fine by me. I am not insisting that everyone should abandon his work. I did. Everybody chooses his/her own actions, I just hope these are wise actions everyone takes.

If he blocks people to debate with him on his own work, by challenging others to write similar works, this is simply pathetic. His own work is not blocked, it is out there, released [for free, how generous of him].

Another part of his notalbe hypocrisy is him asking for money [while looking quite obviously depressed and miserable], but does not tell as to what his project is going to be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcSbQliAeXg

So people according to him are 'doers' if they invest into something they have no clue about? Ridiculous. This and mostly the latest actions related to my [personal] experience with him made me conclude on the subject. Again, I am not asking anyone to have the same attitude towards him as I do. Read his work, invest into him, get blocked by him if you disagree - whatever.

[good logic]

Peace Makaveli.
I get your point and you are right to highlight the injustice/ban.

My aim /intend is not to criticise but advise that nobody should  follow/rely on others. 

Everyone should pick what is best from others or leave altogether.

Of course if anyone wants to follow/rely on anyone they are free to do so. This is in general,not intended for you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Cerberus]

It still funny that only after your incident with him that you somehow woke up from your illusion. And he somehow turned into that terrible hypocrite bad guy.