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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2017, 12:10:10 AM »

Noon, what is this liquid stain?



Text fading, and liquid stains.



Text fading, and liquid stains.

36:82   His command, when He wants anything, is to say to it: "Be,' and it is.
36:83   Therefore, praise be to the One in whose Hand is the sovereignty of all things, and to Him you will be returned.

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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 09:47:18 AM »
Noon, what is this liquid stain?

I can read neither does it trouble and suffices me.

2:2 ذلك such الكتب the book لا not رىب doubt فىه in it هدى guidance للمتقىن for the righteous


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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2017, 03:25:14 AM »
no cannot stand numerologists or trolls pretending to be believers.



I don't think Mist is a troll.



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likewise in context obviously the word 15:24 المستقدمىن the ones prior



peace, you've not looked into it "symmetry" is simpleton numerology with numerous combinations.


That would make accounting numerology also.

PS: What if the old manuscript actually had the wrong word, but the  Book we have showed the correct one? Do we go back to changing the correct to that wrong word? The ultimate answer to understanding the words lies in practical tests and the fact that God is merciful.
"I fear that nothing will lead me to hell more than ḥadīth"-Hadith collector: Shu'ba Ibn al-Ḥajjāj

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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2017, 03:22:55 PM »
That would make accounting numerology also.

No perhaps "cooked accounting" or fudging books committing fraud.

PS: What if the old manuscript actually had the wrong word, but the  Book we have showed the correct one? Do we go back to changing the correct to that wrong word? The ultimate answer to understanding the words lies in practical tests and the fact that God is merciful.

Please show example of word wrong in old manuscript and correct in new?

It?s actually other way around the old books can be used to confirm new e.g.

Partial taping on kalala in one early muṣḥaf: https://iqsaweb.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/kalala/

View above here: http://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176?handschrift=170

Likewise the word الكلله confirmed in another manuscript:



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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2018, 07:25:51 AM »
Salaam alaykum,

Do not move your tongue with it to make haste.
It is for Us to gather (jam'a) and relate it.
So when We relate it, you shall follow its revelation.
(75:16-18)

Jiim-Miim-Ayn
To collect or gather, bring together, to contract, assemble or congregate, unite or connect or form a connection, bring into a state of union, reconcile or conciliate, put on a thing [such as clothing article], to compose/arrange/settle, to pray in congregation, determine/resolve/decide upon a thing, agree or unite in opinion, prepare or make a thing ready, dry up a thing, conspire or league with another, coexist with one, to be compact/compressed/contracted, exert one's energy, to compromise or comprehend or contain, enter or go into, to meet or be in company with another.

The Birmingham Manuscript was carbon dated, between 568AD and 645AD, from lifetime of prophet Mohammed to a decade after his death.
This manuscript contains pieces of surat al-Kahf, surah Maryam (19) and surah Ta-Ha; it has verse and chaper separators, in fact before the carbon-dating it was thought to be of 8th or 9th century.
http://vmr.bham.ac.uk/Collections/Mingana/Islamic_Arabic_1572a/table/
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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2018, 03:31:42 PM »
No perhaps "cooked accounting" or fudging books committing fraud.

Sides must be matched in order to validate the calculation.

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Please show example of word wrong in old manuscript and correct in new?

I don't follow the manuscript. I don't study it.


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It?s actually other way around the old books can be used to confirm new e.g.

Partial taping on kalala in one early muṣḥaf: https://iqsaweb.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/kalala/

View above here: http://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176?handschrift=170



Peace!

I can't see anything the taping does. The author also says:

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The purpose of this tape is unclear; one possibility related to me recently is that it may have been applied to strengthen the pages at points where overly-acidic ink had eaten through the page.[3]


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Likewise the word الكلله confirmed in another manuscript:


Isn't it like hadiths are evaluated in the same way? Well, they have a tafseer book attributed to Ibne Abbas. it surprisingly covers all of Quran with stuffs added here and there. One look at the thing will tell any sane human that it was a distorted Quran they wanted to circulate. I would mainly rely on tests.

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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2018, 08:05:29 AM »
Sides must be matched in order to validate the calculation.

I don't follow the manuscript. I don't study it.


Isn't it like hadiths are evaluated in the same way? Well, they have a tafseer book attributed to Ibne Abbas. it surprisingly covers all of Quran with stuffs added here and there. One look at the thing will tell any sane human that it was a distorted Quran they wanted to circulate. I would mainly rely on tests.

Peace --

1. not as symmetrical/balanced rather all numerology "selective" what author includes/excludes.

2. likewise billions of combinations exist remove verses due to hadith get meaningless multiples.

ch33 71 verses
Zayd bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Quran and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. [That verse was]: 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'"[Quran 33:23][Bukhari Sahih al-Bukhari, 6:61:510]

ch9 127 verses
Zayd also said:
"So I started looking for the Holy quran and collected it from (what was written on) palm-leaf stalks, thin white stones, and also from men who knew it by heart, until I found the last verse of Surat at-Tauba (repentance) with Abi Khuzaima al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 478).




3. earliest manuscripts didn't count initials and had different verse counts e.g. ch 20 with 140 verses!

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/12/handschrift/281



https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/12/handschrift/107



https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/12?handschrift=163



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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2018, 04:47:17 PM »
Peace --

1. not as symmetrical/balanced rather all numerology "selective" what author includes/excludes.

2. likewise billions of combinations exist remove verses due to hadith get meaningless multiples.

ch33 71 verses
Zayd bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Quran and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. [That verse was]: 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'"[Quran 33:23][Bukhari Sahih al-Bukhari, 6:61:510]



I am not understanding this post. Are you saying that this hadith is a proof that the arrangement is corrupt?

"I fear that nothing will lead me to hell more than ḥadīth"-Hadith collector: Shu'ba Ibn al-Ḥajjāj

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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2018, 07:45:50 PM »
I am not understanding this post. Are you saying that this hadith is a proof that the arrangement is corrupt?

Peace, no again there are countless combinations gets similar symmetry (try playing with below sheet).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13BdUScwu16S5jTUorkqqw3dnJBZahr8jp5b9URFCI8s/edit?usp=sharing

ch9 127 verses i.e. remove two verses due to infatuation with counting delete Allah

Zayd also said:
"So I started looking for the Holy quran and collected it from (what was written on) palm-leaf stalks, thin white stones, and also from men who knew it by heart, until I found the last verse of Surat at-Tauba (repentance) with Abi Khuzaima al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 478).


ch33 71 verses i.e. remove two verses due to infatuation with counting delete Allah

Zayd bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Quran and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. [That verse was]: 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.'"[Quran 33:23][Bukhari Sahih al-Bukhari, 6:61:510]

New arrangement seems to appear ~200 years afterwards a few initialed verses were separated out.

e.g. 42:1-3 was a single verse ?

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/42/vers/1/handschrift/163

42:1-3 حم ha meem عسق ayn seen qaf كذلك like such ىوحى inspired الىك to you والى and toward الذىن the ones من from قبلك before you الله the god العزىز the mighty الحكىم the wise


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Re: Symmetric Book Noble Quran by Prof. Ayedmir
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2018, 09:20:24 PM »
I don't know brother Noon. The hadiths are based on hearsay so i wouldn't be surprised if the claim that a verse was removed or added was a lie.
Apologies if i have missed something or misunderstood your point.