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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2017, 03:57:08 PM »
I agree, individuals vary, but as a whole society there will be many
who are not moderate.  There are moderate drug users but there
are drug addicts, there are moderate gamblers then there are those
who are addicted to gambling as well, we must consider what
is best for society as a whole.


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When has trying to moderate society as a whole led to a better society? The mafias in the US were created out of the ban on alcohol, they grew through this ban. Alcohol is easily available today in countries like Pakistan, the only difference the ban made is that the suppliers are earning more. As a society we cannot be moderated, it leads to retaliation. The Russians tried to control their society through communism, we all can see the results. In Pakistan Bhutto banned alcohol and yet alcohol is now available in whichever house that needs it. The society before the ban was actually much more balanced then it is now.

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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2017, 10:12:22 PM »
When we find out who is really is innocent and do our service to the Almighty Uncreated Creator.

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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2017, 11:48:39 PM »
When has trying to moderate society as a whole led to a better society? The mafias in the US were created out of the ban on alcohol, they grew through this ban. Alcohol is easily available today in countries like Pakistan, the only difference the ban made is that the suppliers are earning more. As a society we cannot be moderated, it leads to retaliation. The Russians tried to control their society through communism, we all can see the results. In Pakistan Bhutto banned alcohol and yet alcohol is now available in whichever house that needs it. The society before the ban was actually much more balanced then it is now.


That is precisely what I hae kept saying. It is not about legal prohibition by anybody but about ourselves each person take her or his repsonsibility as a member of society out of conviction and helping others and oneself not to drink and that is about the only way to control such a thing. And that is why this infantilization of is it haram or is it not is of no use. It is not a matter of somebody borbidding anything to anybody else but of each responsible person standing up to those responsibilities and avoid alcohol for what it is, the corrupting work of shaytan. 

Each one does whatever she or he deems right and no one has to answer but to God.

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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2017, 04:44:38 AM »
When has trying to moderate society as a whole led to a better society? The mafias in the US were created out of the ban on alcohol, they grew through this ban. Alcohol is easily available today in countries like Pakistan, the only difference the ban made is that the suppliers are earning more. As a society we cannot be moderated, it leads to retaliation. The Russians tried to control their society through communism, we all can see the results. In Pakistan Bhutto banned alcohol and yet alcohol is now available in whichever house that needs it. The society before the ban was actually much more balanced then it is now.

thats true actually
but i want to add something
bhutto banned it due to the reason of sharia law pressure otherwise he himself claimed that he drink moderately and he was about to lift the ban but he become victim of sharia law
overall that ban give nation harm more than benefit only benefit is to the one who sells it in high price

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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2017, 03:56:17 PM »
thats true actually
but i want to add something
bhutto banned it due to the reason of sharia law pressure otherwise he himself claimed that he drink moderately and he was about to lift the ban but he become victim of sharia law
overall that ban give nation harm more than benefit only benefit is to the one who sells it in high price

He was a heavy drinker, but he was trying to capture the religious vote as well, thats why he banned alcohol. He was trying to be a dictator which thankfully never happened, but he still had a massive hand in the disintegration of the country, whereby Bangladesh became an independent nation just because this man was unwilling to accept that he had lost the election. He banned alcohol in the hope to garner more votes, nothing else.

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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2017, 05:11:33 AM »
He was a heavy drinker, but he was trying to capture the religious vote as well, thats why he banned alcohol. He was trying to be a dictator which thankfully never happened, but he still had a massive hand in the disintegration of the country, whereby Bangladesh became an independent nation just because this man was unwilling to accept that he had lost the election. He banned alcohol in the hope to garner more votes, nothing else.

BOLD although he was a heavy drinker but he claimed infront of public that he drink moderately which is not normal in a society like pakistan to claim such thing no doubt he was the gallant person nobody ever claim such thing ever and everybody know that everybody else drinks too

rest of your post is history
and the seperation of bangladesh happened due to "Yahya khan" not due to bhutto
and 90000 militants of pak army become war prisoners
5000 square miles area invaded

and in this fragile moment bhutto takeover pakistan and he play his role well
release all the prisoners and area
and history is witness he was the best leader throughout the history of pakistan
his death was the start of pakistani curse
zia ul haq was the REAL disease of dictatorship



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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #76 on: June 27, 2017, 01:31:39 PM »
BOLD although he was a heavy drinker but he claimed infront of public that he drink moderately which is not normal in a society like pakistan to claim such thing no doubt he was the gallant person nobody ever claim such thing ever and everybody know that everybody else drinks too

rest of your post is history
and the seperation of bangladesh happened due to "Yahya khan" not due to bhutto
and 90000 militants of pak army become war prisoners
5000 square miles area invaded

and in this fragile moment bhutto takeover pakistan and he play his role well
release all the prisoners and area
and history is witness he was the best leader throughout the history of pakistan
his death was the start of pakistani curse
zia ul haq was the REAL disease of dictatorship

I will not get into a lengthy debate with you centered around political history of Pakistan as this is not the appropriate forum for it. Even though Bhutto holds the central and primary role in the separation of Bangladesh since he was not willing to accept the results of the election. But lets leave it at that and agree to disagree on this.

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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2017, 01:49:44 PM »
I will not get into a lengthy debate with you centered around political history of Pakistan as this is not the appropriate forum for it. Even though Bhutto holds the central and primary role in the separation of Bangladesh since he was not willing to accept the results of the election. But lets leave it at that and agree to disagree on this.

peace brother

i m not debating i m telling you some facts whats in the history of politics.
you can disagree if u want but that will not change the fact
God bless you


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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2018, 12:26:00 AM »
Bhutto was the conspirator and Yahia Khan was the implementer of the genocide held in Bangladesh in 1971. The then Pakistani army under Yahia Khan's leadership killed thousands of unarmed Bangladeshis that include males, females, innocent babies, boys, girls, old men and old women throughout Bangladesh. They rapped thousands of Bangladeshi girls/women, fired houses/villages during March-December 1971. Same things happened in Mayanmar, where Nobel prize achiever (for peace) Sun Shu Chi with her allied Mayanmar army participated in Rohingya Genocide by killing Rohingya people village after village, raping their women and girls and firing their houses.

I am suprised how God alone people can support such war criminal like Bhutto, who are openly involved in crime against humanity.

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Re: Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran
« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2018, 01:06:26 PM »
its the matter of NEWS

we can see some of the historians are in favor of talking bout bhutto leadership skills.
and there was one party who was opposing the bhutto ideas .

thats happened with every religious/poilitcal movement.

as per data of election it appears he(bhutto) win with aheavy lead.

but as per his personal life GOD knows best.

when wars like indo pak and indo bangala pak happened the loss from both sides is apparent and nobodys can deny that mistakes from the teoublemakers from
both sides played their roles well.

but Good thing is this at this time space a CHANGE type revolution is going on and big corrupts like PMLn party and bhuttos party PPP is under multiple cases of corruption and money laundering.

Lets see even at this age some are still favouring the criminals.
but in the case of bhutto it was something fishy as per data so individual is free to read all that and then give their reviews.