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Emil

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Surah 3 verse 85
« on: April 28, 2017, 11:51:27 AM »
Assalamu alaikum Brothers and sisters

Whats your take on 3:85? It looks lke a contradiction but as we know there are no contradictions in the scripture of God, only our wrong interpretations.

Nonetheless, would like hear any opinions about how it cannot be a contradiction

Salaam

Emil


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Re: Surah 3 verse 85
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2017, 04:49:56 PM »
what u found contradictory in 3 : 85..

make sure
deen = system
islam = peacemaking

system of peacemaking
system of submission to God and his laws
the laws of God for every person is same from birth to death..

example either its a peacemaker or trouble maker  the law is ordering them not to kill/rob/rape/dishonest..
one will submit his will to God will be known as peacemaker on the other hand the one who dnt care about the law will spread corruption on land..
under whatever label/religion/race it dosent really matter..

the creation of sects is wordly divide the system of divide is the system of devilish/satanic ..
in which they start believing the leader of a specific nation will save them from retribution of hell..

like in christianity and islam the salavation concept through christ and mohammad is very popular..
due t which lot of people found themselves doing wrong and with the hope that their leader will save them from wrath of  God becoz they belong to the system of peacemaking.. (think about it)


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Re: Surah 3 verse 85
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2017, 05:40:03 PM »
Peace, yes as imrankhawaja stated read in context; other than names need to translate each word...

3:84 قل say امنا believe we of بالله in the god وما and what انزل descends علىنا upon us وما and what انزل descends على on ابرهىم Abraham واسماعىل and Ismail واسحاق and Isaac وىعقوب and Jacob والاسباط and the nations وما and what اوتى given موسى Moses وعىسى and Jesus والنبىون and the prophets being من from ربهم lord theirs لا not نفرق we differentiate بىن between احد anyone منهم among them ونحن and we are له for him مسلمون muslimuna/self-effacing
3:85 ومن and who ىبتغ pursued غىر other than الاسلام l-is'lāmi/the peacefulness دىنا creed of فلن so not ىقبل accepted منه from him وهو and he فى in الاخره the afterlife من among الخاسرىن the losers


People auto-associate with behavior of ignorant troublemakers and if asked are they Muslim/Islamic?
Would reply we speaking in English or old Arabic ? asking if they're peaceful similar to cow example?

2:71 ? انها indeed it (f) بقره cow لا not ذلول trained تثىر to raise الارض the land ولا and not تسقى watered الحرث the harvest مسلمه musallamatun/docile ?

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Re: Surah 3 verse 85
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2017, 09:27:00 PM »
There was a thread on this verse only a few days ago, but I can't find it now.
10:109 Follow what is being inspired to you and be patient until God judges.

57:3 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Innermost. And He is fully aware of all things.

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Re: Surah 3 verse 85
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2017, 04:16:09 PM »
Wa alaikum assalam.


"And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."


First people must know what Islam is.I think Islam is the universal message to submit to one god (to accept this fact and to submit ourselves to Allah, to know we are not self sufficient, that we are totally dependent on Allah to be alive and breathing, etc). This has never changed and never will. As long as people know this they cannot desire something else. They must accept the basic things like the Day of Judgement and that we are all responsible for our actions. When people accept this they will naturally search for what Allah wants from us and accept whatever that might be and don't accept anything that is only man made assumptions. When you know Allah is one, desiring something else will not be accepted. But first that person has to hear that message, an ignorant person doesn't know the options and cannot choose to not desire Islam. But Jews, Christians, Sikhs, etc can desire Islam just as much as people who call themselves Muslims. They all desire to follow the will of Allah. But it takes an effort to search for what means. I think this verse talks only about what we desire after we have all the options. Some desire atheism, some polytheism after being exposed to the message of one god. Those will not be accepted since they rejected this without bothering to search for knowledge.

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Re: Surah 3 verse 85
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2017, 06:35:31 AM »
Peace marthe,

First people must know what Islam is.

What is "islam"?

Hope this helps.

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Re: Surah 3 verse 85
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2017, 12:51:46 PM »
Peace marthe,

What is "islam"?

Hope this helps.


Thank you, brother  :) Peace