Would You cut someones hand if they stole?

[Wakas]

peace hansolo,

I know sports are good for the body, however, our linguistics acrobatics with the Clear Quran is a bit disappointing to say the least.

Well, let's put it to the test......... if you are a genuine truth seeker you will welcome such an approach:

1) The Arabic word translated as "cut" in 5:38 is "iqtaa" and occurs 14 other times in the same 1st verb form (QaTaA) in The Quran, please tell us how many out of the 14 occurrences it means a clear physical cutting off?

2) The derivatives that are read in the 2nd verb form (QaTTaA) occur 17 times in The Quran. The 2nd verb form expresses intensity/frequency of the action. Please tell us how many out of the 17 occurrences it means a clear physical cutting off?

3) The more intense 2nd verb form is used alongside hands only twice in Quran [12:31, 12:50] - please tell us does it mean cutting off hands in these verses? Yes/No.

4) Please explain the plural use of "aydi" (hands) in 5:38. Note that the Arabic plural means 3 or more hands, thus iqtaa should be done to 3 or more hands.

5) When lashes are given as punishment for proven adultery, The Quran states not to let pity/compassion prevent you from carrying out such a punishment [24:2], but it says no such thing for the alleged hand cutting-off verse, when many (all?) consider this punishment to be far worse. Please explain why this is.

6) The recurring theme of justice in The Quran is equivalence or less, i.e. one cannot go overboard in punishment with respect to the crime. Please explain what happens if someone steals a slice of bread according to Quran. [42:39-40]

7) Are there any other corroborating verses in Quran which support hand-cutting-off for theft? Yes/No. If yes, cite them.

8 ) the only working example of theft in Quran is in the story of Joseph [12:73-79], please tell us what the punishment for theft is in this story?

[imrankhawaja]

moreover lets say logically a thief get punished first time by get his hands chopped off..

after that if he manage to rob/steal/theft again, then what part of body get chopped off..?

is it not a free license to him , like do it(theft) as much as you can and no punishment can apply to you as you have no hands any more.. 

[hansolo]

Brother Imran,

What about the

5:33 - Free-Minds.org Translation : The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is a disgrace for them in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great retribution.

Are You ready to do this things to those enemies of God? Al those swine eating, land corrupting, unbelievers ? (SARCASM)

[imrankhawaja]

well, read the verse before and after 5 33 for a clear picture,

your thread is dealing with theft...

if you wan to discuss 5 33 open a new thread and ask again same thing there , i ll get to you with logic .dnt mix two things
(theft and murder)

eye for an eye
hand for hand
life for life
but its better if you forgive..

[huruf]

A handfor a theft is not an eye for an eye. The severing off of a hand or hands is plain nonsense.

Salaam

[A Submitter]

Salam,

5:38 
And  the  male  thief,  and  the  female  thief,  you  shall  cut  their 
resources?as  a  penalty  for  what  they  have  earned?to  be  made 
an example of from God. God is Noble, Wise.

No cutting of limbs for theft. The punishment given in 5:33 is not for theft.


In pretext of FM Quran, there's a good explanation:


[Yusuf Ali Translation]
: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off (Iqta)
his  or  her  hands:  a  punishment  by  way  of  example,  from  Allah,  for 
their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power. (Qur?an 5:38)

If we had based our opinion solely on verse 5:38 as shown above, then
our understanding would be that the hands of thieves are to be severed
completely. If this is indeed what God has commanded, then we have no
option but to hear and obey.

However, in this particular case, we find that a small check against the real
life example given in the Qur?an of Joseph and his brothers and how they
dealt with the issue of theft leads us to a completely different conclusion:

?They said: ?By God, you know we have not come to cause corruption
in  the  land,  and  we  are  not  thieves!? 
They  said:  ?What  shall  be  the 
punishment, if you are not truthful?? They said: ?The punishment is that
he in whose saddlebag it is found will himself serve as the punishment. It is
so that we punish the wicked.
?? (Qur?an 12:73-75)

The  law  of  God  that  Joseph  applied  against  his  brother  in  the  matter 
of theft did not lead to any amputation of the hand or any other mindless
act of violence. It did, however, lead to the brother being made to remain
behind and work as a penalty against that which he was accused of stealing.
Looking  back  at  verse  5:38  with  the  correct  translation  we  see  a 
completely different understanding from that found by Yusuf Ali:

?And the male thief, and the female thief, you shall cut their resources?
as  a  penalty  for  what  they  have  earned?to  be  made  an  example  of 
from God. God is Noble, Wise.? (Qur?an 5:38)

The  correct  understanding  of  the  verse  not  only  matches  the  live 
example  given  in  the  Qur?an,  but  it  also  comes  in-line  with  the  other 
checks  and  balances  that  God  has  given  such  as  the  punishment  not 
exceeding the crime (16:126).

Salam

PS. I wouldn't cut anyone's hand if they stole

[Amra94]

Are You ready to do this things to those enemies of God? Al those swine eating, land corrupting, unbelievers ? (SARCASM)

Why don't you stay on topic and provide proof that the Quran orders hands to be cut off for theft

[imrankhawaja]

Why don't you stay on topic and provide proof that the Quran orders hands to be cut off for theft

he dnt have it, otherwise he never missed the reply of my first post...

[Wakas]

hansolo,

Are you running away from my questions?

[imrankhawaja]

hansolo , the picture below best describe the running after theft...