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Would You cut someones hand if they stole?

Started by hansolo, April 11, 2017, 05:46:47 PM

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hansolo

Would You cut someones hand if they stole?

If You wanna live your life by the rules of the Quran?

Or do you follow somethings and do not follow other things in the Quran?

Peace

imrankhawaja

Quote from: hansolo on April 11, 2017, 05:46:47 PM
Would You cut someones hand if they stole?

If You wanna live your life by the rules of the Quran?

Or do you follow somethings and do not follow other things in the Quran?

Peace

the quality of your threads are getting worse from last some days.. what i feel

in which quran you read the cutting of hands ...

did you read chapter twelve in which the punishment of stealing is there..?

its seems you never read/understand total quran
                      or
you are pretending like you do not know how to understand


Comrox

Seems like it might be more appropriate to ask if someone would lash another if they were found guilty of zina. I don't see how hand amputation can be supported by Qur'an.
10:109 Follow what is being inspired to you and be patient until God judges.

57:3 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Innermost. And He is fully aware of all things.

hansolo


Quote from: Comrox on April 12, 2017, 01:10:10 AM
Seems like it might be more appropriate to ask if someone would lash another if they were found guilty of zina. I don't see how hand amputation can be supported by Qur'an.

Quran 5:38

Sahih International: [As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.

Pickthall: As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.

Shakir: And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: Cut off the hands of a male or female thief as a punishment for their deed and a lesson for them from God. God is Majestic and All-wise.

Mohsin Khan: Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All?Powerful, All?Wise.

Arberry: And the thief, male and female: cut off the hands of both, as a recompense for what they have earned, and a punishment exemplary from God; God is All-mighty, All-wise.

huruf

Salaam, Hansolo

Tsi question has been dealt with abundantly in the forum and it might be easier to fish for the threds where it is handled. It is abundantly clear that the aya in question does what the Qur'an does all the time, to use the word "hand" or "hands", idiomatically as is usual in any language I know of, where chands are used in the sense of ability, or power, or capacity, and not as parts of the body.

I leave it IN YOUR HANDS  to fish for those threads where this question has been delat with to exhaustion.

Of course you may always choose to cut your hands.

Salaam

good logic

Yes sister huruf, may be one can find "how you cut someone's hand if they keep writing /asking questions that have been dealt with numerous times here" in Qoran as well!!!
Brother hansolo,ask those who carry out this punishment,why ask us? It just proves you are not reading our posts!!!

However do not worry ,ask whatever you want,we will not cut anyone's hand or punish them here,we are "Muslims" to GOD and we leave GOD as the judge of His creations.
Just for your information those who cut the hands are following their parents and scholars tradition,nothing to do with Qoran.
From Qoran s point of view some believe "mark the hand" as a symbol of publicising who the thief is or "cut some of their resources to compensate what they took"
For example."Kassabat Aydeekum" means What you earn. some translate "Iktauu aydeyahum" as cut what they earned from stealing"

In short there is no cutting/severing of hands in Qoran!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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hansolo

So when God says cut their hands, somehow it is a symbolic meaning.

Did God send Quran to confuse people? Most probably not, because He says, This is Quran written in clear Arabic.

It is humans who start all this linguistic acrobatics.

If a verse fits with their point of view they take wording word, literal.

However, when a verse or even a word comes up which contradicts their point f view, they start interpreting , doing whatever they want with it just to make it sound like something else.

I know sports are good for the body, however, our linguistics acrobatics with the Clear Quran is a bit disappointing to say the least.

Peace

good logic

At the end "gymnastics " like you put it are performed.
Now you choose which tickles your fancy or make up one of your own.
However I disagree with you. When you study Qoran and you really trying your best to understand it ,its context will be clear to you. Patience,sincerity and trusting GOD are required.
Your choice brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace
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Bender

Quote from: hansolo on April 12, 2017, 04:52:57 AM
So when God says cut their hands, somehow it is a symbolic meaning.
God did not say that.
Hansolo says that God said it and then Hansolo says that God probably means it symbolic.

You should register on a sunni forum, there you can have the conversations you are looking for.
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi al-alameen

imrankhawaja

i think he preffered the traditional translations despite of knowing there are some better interpretation also i wonder he did not give their reference in 5 38 ..

anyways..here is gift for him if he thinks God is confusing people

12:31 So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and prepared a banquet for them, and she gave each one of them a knife. And she said: "Come out to them," so when they saw him they exalted him and cut their hands, and they said: "Praise be to God, this is not a human being, but a blessed angel!

did  womens cutt off their hands or it was just a mark of injury? (whats your common sense say in this event)