Author Topic: Is there proof for Qurans Divinity?  (Read 9514 times)

reel

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Re: Is there proof for Qurans Divinity?
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2017, 01:29:00 AM »
Thankfully I do not care what I look like as long as I think it is right myself.

Ah, you know I come from the "Sunni sect". Things are a little different for me. I did mention some here. It usually fell on deaf ears. One person I told to got banned because of his own behavior of course.

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This was a philosophical summary and background of the Ten Directives. If Quran has any doctrinal relationship with them they should obviously be mentioned in it.

The Book does have details on those instructions. Many are directed to Prophets. There is also a need to review the true meanings of prostration and bowing in a way that they actually make the verses sound logical and meaningful.

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And it is the Satan which drives us to go against the directives. If you search for the etymological background of the root of Satan it mentioned about "enter in firmly" which is what you literally to do when you listen to the Satan. It is a drive to enter in.

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Re: Is there proof for Qurans Divinity?
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2017, 04:03:17 AM »
Reel,

Sejida means submit, not prostrate and if you like to say prostrate with this word you need a phrase saying something like "go down in submission" and it would mean prostrate (through the descriptive phrase), but otherwise it means only submit or be submitted to.

Every Arabic word means primarily its abstract meaning while the concrete is always secondary and needs elaboration of additional words to be clear.

Overall, Arabic is not a physical-inclined language referring to such object but everything should first most be conceived in the mind.

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Re: Is there proof for Qurans Divinity?
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2017, 04:51:40 AM »
There is no proof for its divinity.

Mathematical analysis of the text shows it is the work of at least 30 different authors (possibly even as much as 100).

Stylistic elements, political context, evoked topics show the text was written during a period of more than 200 years.

See the work of Walter Jean-Jacques, Le Coran r?v?l? par la Th?orie des Codes, ?ditions de Paris, juillet 2014

Even the Quranic text speaks for itself concerning its divinity. 

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(28:49) Sahih International: Say, "Then bring a scripture from Allah which is more guiding than either of them that I may follow it, if you should be truthful."

This is not speaking about one book, cause it uses "either of them".   It is referring to  at-tawra wa l-inj?l, the Torah and Injil.  Not the Quran.

Add to this the Quranic "satanic" verses.  If Quran is divine polytheism is alright coz God says so and thus being self-contradicting?

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Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-?Uzz?
and Manāt, the third, the other?
These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for.

Then look at the content which show a very limited understanding of biology and the universe (attributing thought to the human heart, fixed stars, flat earth,...).  Look at the fiction in Quran which recounts the fable of Alexander building a gate against Gog and Magog.

People still believing this text has divine origin in 2017?  Lul.  The inimitability of Quran was already disputed by arabs of the 8th century.  (See  Rippin Andrew, Muslims, Vol.1, London /New York, Routledge, 1990, p.26-27.41. and  Urvoy Dominique, Les penseurs libres dans l?Islam classique, Paris, albin Michel, 1996, p.55-58.)