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Started by si di, January 26, 2017, 03:56:43 AM

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huruf

Quote from: si di on January 27, 2017, 12:20:12 PM
@Huruf
Thank you for your point of view



You are welcome, si di.

Salaam

Man of Faith

Quote from: Zulf on January 27, 2017, 01:29:38 PM
I'd say:

* Do what you are comfortable with doing.
* Shake hands with the opposite sex if you find it ok.
* Don't do it if you don't feel ok with it.
* Don't force a custom unto another if it makes them feel uncomfortable.
* Be socially sensible. Evaluate the situation and act accordingly.
* Don't be a dogmatic donkey. Your soul won't be corrupted if you sidestep your normal habits, and avoid shaking hands for once. Also, your soul won't be corrupted if you do shake hands when you normally wouldn't.

It all becomes easier when we view ourselves as on the same/equal level as other people. Our religion doesn't make us better people. If we think our religion makes us better, then we are actually worse.

Peace  :sun:

That means you think a person due to spiritual reasons should not have to shake hands with whom they do not wish?

It is sad one is regarded as rude if they do not shake hands.

Be well
Amenuel
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Aladin from Azra tribe

Bismillah

قُلْ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ يَغُضُّوا مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِمْ وَيَحْفَظُوا فُرُوجَهُمْ

Word "furooj" should mean "gaps" and in this case it's any gap in our body. It can be gap between fingers too.
If mu'minoon find that this means that they should guard these gaps (between fingers), because they can be sexual stimulation, then they should avoid handshake.

Allah swt knows best
There cannot be both opinion and knowledge
of the same thing at the same time

"The First Teacher", Aristotle

Zulf

Quote from: Man of Faith on January 28, 2017, 05:01:29 AM
That means you think a person due to spiritual reasons should not have to shake hands with whom they do not wish?

It is sad one is regarded as rude if they do not shake hands.

Be well
Amenuel

Yes I know.

I find it stupid when "westerners" come to "muslim countries" and insist on shaking hands with everyone of the opposite sex just to make a statement.
I also find it stupid when "muslims" refuse to shake hands in "western" locations, usually when meeting someone for the first time, just because they are too hung up in fear from their own religion.

So, nobody should be forced into something,
but we should also not be rigid about things... which often means we put ego before community.

Cheers
If you name me, you negate me.

Aries

Quote from: Andrewsarchus on January 28, 2017, 08:29:53 AM
I so wanna shake your hand right now.  :handshake:

I hope you did not make manicure because i just read it could be sexual stimulation  :hypno:

I guess i'll end up in hell with my beautician  :&

Btw i absolutely agree with Zulf

HP_TECH

Quote from: si di on January 27, 2017, 12:20:12 PM
@HP Tech
Yes,I do have a lack of knowledge in this theme and i would like you to help me to understand how to behave if you are in a Situation to shake Hands or not this i really bothering

Salaam,

First and foremost I apologize if I came off as rude.
I think that this is one of those yellow heifer moments.
Where we get so fixated on the unimportant tiny details and fail to look at the bigger picture.
I think it's okay to wonder about such things but to bring Hadith and the whole contradiction thing was a stretch for me, I am very nit-picky when it comes to believers speaking about Quran... you know it's your Lord's Words... there are no contradictions.

May I ask, what bothers you about this topic?
Where do you live?
Have you never shook hands before?
Are you afraid it might feel stimulating?
Did shaking a guy's hand make you nervous, flutter?

People usually know if you are going to shake hands with them
Sometimes if I don't want to touch a friend I'll just waive at them before they get near me, so that I already greeted them

I would like to hear more clearly about your situation
إِنَّنِي مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِي

My Lord I repent to you for anything I uttered concerning You for which I have no knowledge of. Indeed You are the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

si di

@Aladin
Is this an Ayat what you have quoted?I know about an ayat that says to lower your gaze in front of a Stimulation and that is for some Scholar the reason( i belive i read it somewhere)why handshake is forbidden with the opp sex .They deducted from lowering the gaze to evenmore prohibiting the handshake with opp sex.Or am i wrong?


Aladin from Azra tribe

 
Quote from: si di on January 28, 2017, 11:49:55 AM
@Aladin
Is this an Ayat what you have quoted?I know about an ayat that says to lower your gaze in front of a Stimulation and that is for some Scholar the reason( i belive i read it somewhere)why handshake is forbidden with the opp sex .They deducted from lowering the gaze to evenmore prohibiting the handshake with opp sex.Or am i wrong?
Yes, it's from 24:30. Interesting part means "and protect their FUROOJ" and it's "gaps", as I know. It's any of gaps, since it's plural, not just those who're different for males and females.

Since, it is "tell to mu'minoon" I've found that we should understand what it means for us and it can differ. If we shake hands with 90 yo woman I think there's no harm, but if we shake hands with some attractive young woman maybe it can be. I don't know, this should be personal and we should guard ourselves for sure.

If there's some other view on "furooj", please come with it, otherwise don't laugh, it's dangerous.

Allah swt knows best.
There cannot be both opinion and knowledge
of the same thing at the same time

"The First Teacher", Aristotle

Cerberus

Quote from: Aladin from Azra tribe on January 28, 2017, 11:59:36 AM

If we shake hands with 90 yo woman I think there's no harm, but if we shake hands with some attractive young woman maybe it can be.


You said it yourself. some attractive young woman, if you happen to get aroused by shaking her hand, know that it is because deep down your mind, you consider her as an attractive young woman and you also consider a chance of mingling with her (or whatever the hell you got in mind)...deep down your mind, not because of the hand shake itself.   ::)

Zulf

Quote from: Cerberus on January 28, 2017, 12:55:56 PM
You said it yourself. some attractive young woman, if you happen to get aroused by shaking her hand, know that it is because deep down your mind, you consider her as an attractive young woman and you also consider a chance of mingling with her (or whatever the hell you got in mind)...deep down your mind, not because of the hand shake itself.   ::)

Indeed.

The hand shake won't turn anyone into an adulterer or rapist.
And a hand shake won't make your mind think stuff it didn't already indulge in.
If someone cannot handle a hand shake with an attractive person, then the issue is certainly not the hand shake itself, and it won't be the hand shake's be or not-be that will determine what comes after (physically or mentally).

What would the difference be between these two scenarios, I wonder?
1. You (man) meet (for the first time), greet (without shaking hands) and talk to a woman you find attractive.
2. same, but you shake hands when you first meet.

Will there be a huge difference???

In general, people do or don't shake hands with the opposite sex simply due to how they were raised. Culture programs you. But then we start rationalizing about it, giving reasons and excuses as if we made a choice about what cultural programming we wanted to receive in life. It's better to just chill, and not judge. Be friendly and don't fear so much.

Peace
If you name me, you negate me.