Handshake

[si di]

Salam to all ,
There is a hadith linked with a vers of the quran which indicates that the Prophet did not shake Hands with woman according to some ulama.
Aischa, the wife of the Prophet  said: 'When the believing women migrated (to Medina) and came to the Prophet they would be examined in accordance with the words in the Quran:

"O Prophet! When believing women come to you to give you the Bay?ah (pledge of allegiance), that they will not associate anything in worship with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood , and that they will not disobey you in any Ma'ruf then accept their Bay?ah (pledge of allegiance), and ask Allah to forgive them, Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". [Noble Quran 60:12]

Any of the believing women who accepted the conditions of the verse and agreed to live by them were considered to have offered themselves for giving their oaths of allegiance. When they declared their commitment to do so, the Prophet would say to them, "You may go. I have confirmed your allegiance."
I swear by Allah, the Prophet's hand never touched the hand of a woman. He would receive their oath of allegiance by spoken declaration. I swear by Allah, the Prophet never took any vow from women except what Allah had ordered him to take and his palm never touched the palm of a woman. When he had taken their pledge, he would tell them he had taken their oath from them orally. ' [Sahih Muslim]

But is this habit not contradicted to sura 4:86"When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things."

If handshake is a form or part of greeting then this ayat is abbrogating the first ayat mentioned above .And if the custom is to bow down like in Asia ,i bow too and maybe a second time or third to greet in better return?

[good logic]

Peace.
60:12 does not mention any handshake!!! Why do some people mix and match to confirm some odd stories that might be fabricated?

The verse has nothing to do with handshakes full stop. The verse does not mention any handshakes.

So how can it be linked to greeting(4:86)?

Therefore,whatever assumptions/stories/guesswork..that are made regarding 60:12 are irrelevant. The verse has nothing to do with how greetings are performed . No issue or argument follows.
GOD bless.
Peace.

[huruf]

I like milk.

When I am thirsty I drink water.

Are those two sentences contradictory? Obviously not and the two ayas quoted are not contradictory.

On the other hand, while some hadiths are not significant (for me in the cases I might understand them, this hadith that has been quoted I find that it has a lot of significance, because I think we all have read or heard of purported gurus or male sect leaders or proselitists that seet out women for the gurus usage and abuse.

So that hadith in fact what it amounts to is that the prophet took good care of not misleading or give any possibility to the    idea that he was trying to gain some special favours from women on account of him being the prophet (or "sect leader").  Nothing to do with greetings or other social behaviour.

Salaam

[Cerberus]

this is also a men's issue, because it's ridiculously annoying to try to greet people and then there is some girl say " I DONT SHAKE HANDS " out of nowhere

[si di]

Salam ,

I see this ayats has nothing to with eachother.

So this Antihandshake was specially performed for the Prophet like the veilissue of the Prophet females Is this what you are saying Huruf?

So when did it become a custom not to shake Hands with the opps Gender if there is not an order in the Book?

[Man of Faith]

Salam ,

I see this ayats has nothing to with eachother.

So this Antihandshake was specially performed for the Prophet like the veilissue of the Prophet females Is this what you are saying Huruf?

So when did it become a custom not to shake Hands with the opps Gender if there is not an order in the Book?

It stems from doctrinal ideas about minimizing the arousal which may occur in either gender when interacting with each other. It has perhaps taken ridiculous proportions and people consider it to be zealous divine laws but it is rather a courtesy between each gender to be of a help.

I find that to be handshaken is not a right of any individual and one has to have empathy why a male does not wish to handshake a female and vice versa. There are other ways of showing one has a friendly attitude.

Besides, why must humans always have to go physical to show care. Humans carry diseases and you never know when you encounter someone diseased and you might not know I'd you are diseased yourself. Better to minimize body contact with everyone in the world.

Be well
Amenuel

[HP_TECH]

Salam to all ,
There is a hadith linked with a vers of the quran which indicates that the Prophet did not shake Hands with woman according to some ulama.
Aischa, the wife of the Prophet  said: 'When the believing women migrated (to Medina) and came to the Prophet they would be examined in accordance with the words in the Quran:

"O Prophet! When believing women come to you to give you the Bay?ah (pledge of allegiance), that they will not associate anything in worship with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood , and that they will not disobey you in any Ma'ruf then accept their Bay?ah (pledge of allegiance), and ask Allah to forgive them, Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". [Noble Quran 60:12]

Any of the believing women who accepted the conditions of the verse and agreed to live by them were considered to have offered themselves for giving their oaths of allegiance. When they declared their commitment to do so, the Prophet would say to them, "You may go. I have confirmed your allegiance."
I swear by Allah, the Prophet's hand never touched the hand of a woman. He would receive their oath of allegiance by spoken declaration. I swear by Allah, the Prophet never took any vow from women except what Allah had ordered him to take and his palm never touched the palm of a woman. When he had taken their pledge, he would tell them he had taken their oath from them orally. ' [Sahih Muslim]

But is this habit not contradicted to sura 4:86"When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things."

If handshake is a form or part of greeting then this ayat is abbrogating the first ayat mentioned above .And if the custom is to bow down like in Asia ,i bow too and maybe a second time or third to greet in better return?

What kind of foolish thread is this?

You are speculating about nonsensical things and then because of your own lack of knowledge and common sense you dare suggest abrogation....

Turn to Allah if you are a believer

[huruf]

Salam ,

I see this ayats has nothing to with eachother.

So this Antihandshake was specially performed for the Prophet, simply it is narrated  like the veilissue of the Prophet females Is this what you are saying Huruf?

So when did it become a custom not to shake Hands with the opps Gender if there is not an order in the Book?

No I am not saying that at all. Nothing was performed for the Prophet. It is merely stated in hadith that the vow of allegiance to the Prophet was performed by verbal expression without any need that the prophet and the vower touched.

I speculated that the purpose of that hadith was to convey that that way it was dispelled the gossip that the Prophet might take advantage of any familiarity to gain something of the women vowers of allegiance to him. Not anything special for him, but a way of dispelling the possibility of gossip may be.

Of course, it may be also understood that for those women who were well acquainted with him, the greetings would be the customary.

How the prohibition of shaking hands come about I have no idea and also I do not have any curiosity. How each person greets other persons I guess it is a matter of the degree of familiarity, of the degree of comfort of those involved and of the customs of the environment.

Salaam 

[si di]

@Huruf
Thank you for your point of view

@HP Tech
Yes,I do have a lack of knowledge in this theme and i would like you to help me to understand how to behave if you are in a Situation to shake Hands or not this i really bothering

[Zulf]

@HP Tech
Yes,I do have a lack of knowledge in this theme and i would like you to help me to understand how to behave if you are in a Situation to shake Hands or not this i really bothering

I'd say:

* Do what you are comfortable with doing.
* Shake hands with the opposite sex if you find it ok.
* Don't do it if you don't feel ok with it.
* Don't force a custom unto another if it makes them feel uncomfortable.
* Be socially sensible. Evaluate the situation and act accordingly.
* Don't be a dogmatic donkey. Your soul won't be corrupted if you sidestep your normal habits, and avoid shaking hands for once. Also, your soul won't be corrupted if you do shake hands when you normally wouldn't.

It all becomes easier when we view ourselves as on the same/equal level as other people. Our religion doesn't make us better people. If we think our religion makes us better, then we are actually worse.

Peace