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Re: Why do Christians think that Jesus is God?
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2017, 08:49:37 AM »
Yet could you give us the verse numbers of the claims you made above?

Peace, context left out?

5:32 من from اجل term ذلك such كتبنا wrote we of على on بنى sons/children اسرىىل Israel انه that he من who قتل slew نفسا soul of بغىر in other than/without نفس soul او or فساد spreading corruption فى in الارض the land فكانما so as if قتل slew الناس the humankind جمىعا all of ومن and who احىاها saves it فكانما so as if احىا saved الناس the humankind جمىعا all of ولقد and surely جاءتهم came them رسلنا messengers ours بالبىنات with the evidence ثم furthermore ان indeed كثىرا much of منهم from/among them بعد after ذلك such فى in الارض the land لمسرفون surely transgressing 5:33 انما only جزاء recompense الذىن the ones ىحاربون fighting الله the god ورسوله and messenger his وىسعون and seeking فى in الارض the land فسادا corruption of ان that ىقتلوا slain they of او or ىصلبوا crucified they of او or تقطع thou sever اىدىهم hands theirs وارجلهم and feet theirs من from خلاف opposite او or ىنفوا exiled they of من from الارض the land ذلك such لهم for them خزى disgrace فى in الدنىا the world ولهم and for them فى in الاخره the last/afterlife عذاب punishment عظىم major 5:34 الا except الذىن the ones تابوا repented they of من from قبل before ان that تقدروا thou decree ye of علىهم upon them فاعلموا so of knowledge ye of ان that الله the god غفور forgiver رحىم merciful

9:1 براءه innocence من from الله the god ورسوله and messenger his الى to الذىن the ones عاهدتم made covenant you من from المشركىن the idolaters 9:2 فسىحوا so move about فى in الارض the land اربعه quartet اشهر lunar cycles واعلموا and know ye of انكم indeed you غىر other than معجزى escape الله the god وان and that الله the god مخزى shames الكافرىن the skeptics 9:3 واذن and announces من from الله the god ورسوله and messenger his الى to الناس the humankind ىوم day الحج the hajj الاكبر the greater ان that الله the god برىء free/innocent من from المشركىن the idolaters ورسوله and messenger his فان so if تبتم repent you فهو so it خىر better لكم for you وان and if تولىتم turned you فاعلموا so of knowledge ye of انكم indeed you غىر other than معجزى escape الله the god وبشر and give news الذىن the ones كفروا disregard they of بعذاب in punishment الىم dire 9:4 الا except الذىن the ones عاهدتم made covenant you من from المشركىن the idolaters ثم furthermore لم not ىنقصوكم have failed they you شىىا thing of ولم and not ىظاهروا supported they of علىكم over you احدا anyone of فاتموا so complete ye of الىهم to them عهدهم covenant theirs الى to مدتهم term theirs ان indeed الله the god ىحب loves المتقىن the righteous 9:5 فاذا so when انسلخ withdrew الاشهر the lunar cycles الحرم the prohibit فاقتلوا so slays ye of المشركىن the idolaters حىث anyplace وجدتموهم found ye them وخذوهم and take them واحصروهم and restrain ye them واقعدوا and sit ye of لهم for them كل each مرصد place of ambush فان so if تابوا repented they of واقاموا and guard they of الصلاه the connection واتوا and give they of الزكاه the recompense its فخلوا so leave ye of سبىلهم path theirs ان indeed الله the god غفور forgiver رحىم merciful 9:6 وان and if احد one/anyone من from المشركىن the idolaters استجارك seek protection your فاجره so reward his حتى until ىسمع hears كلام speech الله the god ثم furthermore ابلغه escorts him مامنه safety his ذلك such بانهم since they قوم folk لا not ىعلمون knowing



Is there any Bible verse that states that Jesus is God?

This reminds me of sitting next to bible student on a flight asked him -- so you believe the creator came to earth manifest as human and ?god? prayed to himself and they crucified ?god? to save who believes?

He answered yes. Asked what about those born before?

He answered depends if they were for/against Israel.

Asked what about those never heard of Israel or Jesus like Eskimos or living in China or babies?

He said read gospel of Mark. I said already read Mark?

Anyways his mind was made up although seemed like a nice fellow and invited him to free-minds.

Mark 12:29
?This is the most important,? Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is One.

112:1 قل say هو he الله the god احد one
112:2 الله the god الصمد the eternal
112:3 لم not ىلد begets ولم and not ىولد begotten
112:4 ولم and not ىكن that be له for him كفوا equal of احد one/anyone





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Re: Why do Christians think that Jesus is God?
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2017, 08:32:28 AM »
Peace, context left out?



Thanks for the explanation. I am interested in hearing Jafar's side of the story. He is an old member and hence the question.
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Re: Why do Christians think that Jesus is God?
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2017, 02:18:23 PM »


Is there any Bible verse that states that Jesus is God?
Are there Bible verses that state that Jesus is to be worshipped?

Peace.
They see Jesus as God as a part of the Trinity
The trinity ain't to be found nowhere in the Bible.
But in KJV (King James Version). The Bible many see as the true word of God.This vers is to be found:
1.John 5.7:King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This is a addition to the Bible. And its corrected in newer versions such as NIV: For there are three that testify: 8thea Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Anyway many pastors still swear to KJV. And also the Christian doctrine claims that Jesus is God. My understanding is that these doctrine were made under the influence of KJV.
Another place we could think we find the Trinity is in the ending of Mark: 28:18

18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Believe it or not. This is proven to be another addition. Just added to the ending of the chapter.
Proof: According to the acts they never baptized according to those three. But only in the name of Jesus.
Also if we check older debate between trinitarians and non trinitarians. They trinitians never quoted this verse. Meaning it wasn?t in the Bible at that time. (thats what I read)

Like mentioned in the tread earlier. Jehova Witness dont see Jesus as God. But for that reason they are not seen as christians by the rest of the churches.
But they also themselves, made a lot of additions to their own Bible. Like the put in Jehova all the places where was written Lord.
I Think they claim that KJV has more than 10.000 errors (mistranslation)

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Re: Why do Christians think that Jesus is God?
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2018, 11:04:50 AM »
Because romans cant imagine an unseen god. They always had their gods in flesh, just like pagan arabs had their gods as woods and stones.... and still have. Roman Catholicism is the worst thing ever happened. Their white Dajjal corrupted this earth immensely and still does.

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Re: Why do Christians think that Jesus is God?
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2018, 01:59:05 PM »
Because romans cant imagine an unseen god. They always had their gods in flesh, just like pagan arabs had their gods as woods and stones.... and still have. Roman Catholicism is the worst thing ever happened. Their white Dajjal corrupted this earth immensely and still does.

After Catholicism, its that cancer which is called "Sunnism" right after "Shi'ism". Where cattle kisses that stupid rock and perform pagan rituals only because some Bedouin shittribe tells them to and idiotic Dictators claim to be descendants of the Prophet. Religions based on lies which claims to the Truth, no wonders that the fake Jews are winning this absurd rat race.