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List of most "authentic" writers that teach false narrrations in each sect.

Started by Adam The Warner, November 05, 2016, 04:09:21 AM

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Adam The Warner

May the Peace be with you,

Most of us were part of a sect, and i do not know if everyone of us still remembers the "most authentic" writers of narrations about the prophet Mohammed. Lets make a list with (ONLY) those writers which are being seen as "most authentic sources".

I mean literally "MOST AUTHENTIC", that doesn't mean that a "preacher" in 2016 is "authentic". To be clear, the most "old/'true'/uphold" ones that are given "authority". Please do not go off topic! Just make your own thread, or there are enough threads with chats about these sects.

Example: I come from a sunni/salafi background and their most authentic sources of narrations in name of Mohammed are the books of these compilers/narrators:

1 Bukhari
2 Muslem
3 Abo Dawood
4 Ibn Madja
5 Tirmidhi
6 Nasai

Let's keep this post clean, and organised. Please comment only with the names of the "most authentic" of the sect that you followed and the title of the sect. Lets make this an organised thread, post in the standards given below.

I will post mine again to keep the standards:
May He the Hearer grant us victory in the worldy life, and Hes abundance of Light on the Day of Judgement, and may He the King of kings grant us the eternal Paradise. Peace.

Adam The Warner

Sect:Sunni, and salafi as cell.

Narrators/compilers:

1 Bukhari
2 Muslem
3 Abo Dawood
4 Ibn Madja
5 Tirmidhi
6 Nasai
May He the Hearer grant us victory in the worldy life, and Hes abundance of Light on the Day of Judgement, and may He the King of kings grant us the eternal Paradise. Peace.

Wakas

The most common amongst Sunnis is the 6 books you mention, particularly Bukhari and Muslim.

In terms of most authentic, you can make up your mind using mathematics:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601492.msg265068#msg265068
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598092.msg197247#msg197247

QuoteIronically, Traditional Muslims will tell you need so much knowledge to understand weak/strong, "science" of Hadith etc, just tell them all you need is 14 mins per hadith and watch them laugh in your face and mock you for suggesting such a thing, then watch their faces drop when you tell them that's what Bukhari did.

;D
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reel

Wakas,

Read some of the collected so called "fabricated" hadiths. What Mr Bukhari and his friends did was just throw away the hadiths that seem extremely stupid or had the chance to create problem in what they were trying to market. Even a 4 year old can do this without the need for science of gossips. That said the fabricated hadiths are not as funny as the ones found in their sahih books.

Enjoy the list

These are all declared as false/weak

Collection of stupid hadiths:
Prayer should be repeated from blood the size of a dirham

Whoever narrates/says something, and sneezes at it (whilst saying it), then
[know that] it is true

When one of you dies, and you have buried him, then let one of you stand by
his head and tell him: Oh, Fulan son of Fulana! (i.e. call him by his name and his
mother's name) And he will listen [to what you say]. Then say [to him]: Oh, Fulan
son of Fulana! And he will sit up? remember what you left this Dunia (world) with:
the testimony that there is not God, but Allah one and only ? etc.

The Black Stone is Allah's right hand on earth with which He shakes the
hands of His slaves

I am the Son of the two Slaughtered Ones

Ablution should be repeated from the flowing Ru?aaf (blood out of nose)

Everything has a bride, and the bride of the Quran is Surah Al Rahman

Do not let water be the last of your meal

Abd Ar-Rahman Ibn `Awf enters Paradise crawling

Hadiths which went against the blind faith they were promoting

He who is boldest from you in giving religious verdicts (fatwas), will be the
boldest in proceeding to the Fire)

One Hour of Contemplation is better than Sixty years of Worship

Seek knowledge even if in China (i.e. even as far away as China)

The believer is courteous, clever and alert

Seeking Halal (the lawful) is a form of Jihad, and Allah loves the believer
who is professional (adopts a profession)

Fear the intuition of a believer as he sees with the Light of Allah

Abu Bakr excelled/surpassed men not by much fasting or prayer, but by
something which deeply has embedded itself in his heart (by something which rested
in his bosom

The Penitent (the one who repents) is beloved unto God

The generous man is near Allah, near paradise, near men and far from hell,
but the miserly man is far from Allah, far from paradise, far from men and near
hell. Indeed, an ignorant man who is generous is dearer to Allah than a worshipper
who is miserly

Allah -all Mighty- said: whoso hath not been pleased with My decree and
hath not been patient under the ill I assign him, then let him seek another Lord than
Me

The master (leader) of the people (nation) is the one who serves them

As you are, so will be your leaders

Truly, hearts rust just as iron rusts, and their polishing is Istighfar (seeking
forgiveness

Wisdom is the lost property of every Wise (Hakeem). Wherever he finds it,
he is more deserving to it)

Do not talk much without remembering Allah, for indeed, too much talk
without the remembrance of Allah hardens the heart. And indeed the people who
are farthest away from Allah are the ones who have hardened hearts

Almighty Allah states: I am Allah. Besides Me there is no being to be
worshipped. I am the Master of the king and the King of all kings. The hearts of
kings are in My Hands. When people obey My Commands, I position Mercy and
tolerance in the hearts of kings. When they disobey Me and become rebellious, their
hearts are returned towards evil and oppression. People should not, therefore,
waste their time insulting kings?

Musa once wondered: Does Allah ?all Mighty- sleep? So Allah sent to him an
Angel, who kept Musa awake for three, and then gave Musa two bottles [to hold]
one in each hand ? after that Musa slept and the two bottles fell from his hands
and broke. He said: Allah has given him an example, that if Allah slept then the
heavens and the earth would not have been upheld)
without the remembrance of Allah hardens the heart. And indeed the people who
are farthest away from Allah are the ones who have hardened hearts


"I fear that nothing will lead me to hell more than ḥadīth"-Hadith collector: Shu'ba Ibn al-Ḥajjāj

Cerberus

Musnad Ahmad, a collection of Hadiths containing some hadiths that stipulate that the Prophet said 'not to write down hadiths' ..hilarious.

He was believed to be "too traditionalist" by some Islamic jurists. He was also the teacher of both Abu dawud and Muslim (read musslim) and was given the title of "Sheikh Al Islam" (Master Of Islam).

Though He did a great job at keeping the following hadiths in his book


QuoteAbu Said al-Khudri said, Ishaq ibn Isa told me that Abdul Rahman ibn Zaid told us that his father said about Ata ibn Yasar who said that Abu Hurayrah said: We were sitting down writing what we heard from the prophet. He entered the room and asked us: What are you writing? We said: We are writing what we hear from you. He said: Another book next to the book of Allah? We said: It is what we hear from you. He said: Then write the book of Allah, uphold the book of Allah, no other books but the book of Allah, uphold the book of Allah. Abu Hurayrah said: So we collected all that we wrote and burnt it. Then we asked the prophet: Can we talk about you? He said: Yes you can and feel no shame of it, and whoever lies about me deliberately his seat in hell will be secured. Abu Hurayrah said: Can we talk about Bani Israel? He said: Yes you can and feel no shame of it...
Musnad Ahmad, Hadith Number 10611

QuoteIsmail told us that Hammam ibn Yahya narrated from Zaid ibn Aslam who narrated from Yasar who stated that Abi Saeed said: The messenger of Allah said, "Do not write anything I say but the Quran and whoever writes anything but the Quran should delete it."
Musnad Ahmad, Hadith Number 10713

QuoteShu?aib told us that Hammam said that Zaid ibn Aslam narrated from Ibn Yassar who stated that Abi Saeed said: The messenger of Allah said, "Do not write anything I say except the Quran and whoever writes anything but the Quran should delete it."
Musnad Ahmad, Hadith Number 10715

QuoteYazid told us that Hammam ibn Yahya narrated from Zaid ibn Aslam who narrated from Yassar who said that Abi Saeed stated: The messenger of Allah said, "Do not write anything I say except the Quran and whoever writes anything but the Quran should delete it."
Musnad Ahmad, Hadith Number 10781

QuoteAbu Ubayda told us that Hammam ibn Yahya narrated from Zaid ibn Aslam who narrated from Yassar who stated that Abi Saeed said: The messenger of Allah said, "Do not write anything I say except the Quran and whoever writes anything [besides it] should delete it."
Musnad Ahmad, Hadith Number 10966

QuoteAffan told us that Hammam told us that Zaid ibn Aslam narrated from Ibn Yassar who stated that Abi Saeed said: The messenger of Allah said do not write anything I say but the Quran and whoever writes anything but the Quran should delete it.
Musnad Ahmad, Hadith Number 11160

Adam The Warner

I said just the sect name and compilers of narrations. This is a thread that is probably soon to be going forgotten because of all the discussions that it will have.

Also, i already mentioned the 6 compilers/narrators, there was no need to mention certain narrations from those books. Have you even read the whole post that i did made  :ignore:?

But yeah guys, you are right there are so many contradictions. Impossible what Bukhari did, i wonder how much time he got left to read the Quran.

May the Lord guide humanity, we should spread the message of "Quran alone". What about making youtube videos, using social media? Take your chance! Especially those who are learning Arabic, spread the Message because i do not know if Arabs even dare to think outside the box. I often think, what kind of faith would i have if i grew up in a place in Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or Syria. In the end God is Almighty, and it's He who Guides of course!
May He the Hearer grant us victory in the worldy life, and Hes abundance of Light on the Day of Judgement, and may He the King of kings grant us the eternal Paradise. Peace.

Adam The Warner

Quote from: Wakas on November 05, 2016, 06:48:03 AM
The most common amongst Sunnis is the 6 books you mention, particularly Bukhari and Muslim.

In terms of most authentic, you can make up your mind using mathematics:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601492.msg265068#msg265068
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598092.msg197247#msg197247

;D

Anyways, you started discussing. So.., how many narrations do you think were the same of these 600.000? Were they all unique? If they were not all unique it makes your calculation not correct.

Anyways, what made me turn away from these books is just the cult, indoctrination, contradictions etc. and what made it worse is that they propagate it in the name of Mohammed.
Also just look at how God talks about the Torah and the Gospel, as a Guidance and a Light, and He honored the Psalms and David, the King of Israel which did strive for Zion. And compare that view with the view of these people that act like how the "HAMAS" and groups like "ISIS" act today.

Oh, about "ISIS". The whole Sunni world claims to follow the books of bukhari/muslem/ibn madja etc. but it's only groups like "ISIS" who practise such books. Who wouldn't dream about an "Islamic state"? Who wouldn't dream about "a free ticket to paradise"? Who wouldn't dream about "taking like 70 people according to your own desire with you to paradise" etc.?
May He the Hearer grant us victory in the worldy life, and Hes abundance of Light on the Day of Judgement, and may He the King of kings grant us the eternal Paradise. Peace.

reel

Quoteno need to mention certain narrations from those books

The ones I mentioned were not from their books.


Quotei wonder how much time he got left to read the Quran.

He didn't. Hence, he has artificial verses in his collection
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609007.msg397805#msg397805

What we learn from hadiths?
Prophet Musa is more knowledgeable than Allah, the tyrant who went to burden us humans with 50 prayers.

Only Prophet Muhammad received revelations from Allah and Islam was new.Sahih al-Bukhari 4981

Greatest Sins= greatest hits:Sahih al-Bukhari 5977
Book 78, Hadith 8, Book 65, Hadith 4477 and weak Sunan Abi Dawud 3342/Book 23, Hadith 17

Killing is the solution to every problem and reward whether it is a geko, dog, snake, crows, exmuslim, adulterer, disbeliever, thief, animal raped by a human...I might have missed listing some more. I apologize for it.




"I fear that nothing will lead me to hell more than ḥadīth"-Hadith collector: Shu'ba Ibn al-Ḥajjāj

Adam The Warner

Quote from: reel on November 05, 2016, 03:11:30 PM
The ones I mentioned were not from their books.


He didn't. Hence, he has artificial verses in his collection
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609007.msg397805#msg397805

What we learn from hadiths?
Prophet Musa is more knowledgeable than Allah, the tyrant who went to burden us humans with 50 prayers.

Only Prophet Muhammad received revelations from Allah and Islam was new.Sahih al-Bukhari 4981

Greatest Sins= greatest hits:Sahih al-Bukhari 5977
Book 78, Hadith 8, Book 65, Hadith 4477 and weak Sunan Abi Dawud 3342/Book 23, Hadith 17

Killing is the solution to every problem and reward whether it is a geko, dog, snake, crows, exmuslim, adulterer, disbeliever, thief, animal raped by a human...I might have missed listing some more. I apologize for it.

Yeah, i meant the other brother which did mention narrations from those books. I hope one day all books which are falsely being attributed to God will be burned. Amen.
May He the Hearer grant us victory in the worldy life, and Hes abundance of Light on the Day of Judgement, and may He the King of kings grant us the eternal Paradise. Peace.

Adam The Warner

Quote from: Adam The Warner on November 05, 2016, 01:15:49 PM
I said just the sect name and compilers of narrations. This is a thread that is probably soon to be going forgotten because of all the discussions that it will have.

Also, i already mentioned the 6 compilers/narrators, there was no need to mention certain narrations from those books. Have you even read the whole post that i did made  :ignore:?

But yeah guys, you are right there are so many contradictions. Impossible what Bukhari did, i wonder how much time he did have to read the Quran. If he actually existed.

May the Lord guide humanity, we should spread the message of "Quran alone". What about making youtube videos, using social media? Take your chance! Especially those who are learning Arabic, spread the Message because i do not know if Arabs even dare to think outside the box. I often think, what kind of faith would i have if i grew up in a place in Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or Syria. In the end God is Almighty, and it's He who Guides of course!
May He the Hearer grant us victory in the worldy life, and Hes abundance of Light on the Day of Judgement, and may He the King of kings grant us the eternal Paradise. Peace.