HIJAB

[Tuva82]

Assalamu alaikum!

I want to hear from anyone here with knowledge about this subject.  How am I suppose to practise the definition hijab correct, based on the text of the Quran alone? I still cover my head, but only based on the definition of the word "kimar".

?...and not display their beauty except what is apparent, and they should place their khumur over their bosoms...?

What is the meaning of ?khumur? used in this verse?

Khumur خُمُرٌ is plural of khimarخِمَارٌ , the veil covering the head. See any Arabic dictionary like Lisanu ?l-?Arab, Majma?u ?l-Bahrayn or al-Munjid.

Al-Munjid, which is the most popular dictionary in the Arab world, defines al-khimar as ?something with which a woman conceals her head ?ما تغطى به المرأة رأسها .? Fakhru ?d-Din al-Turayhi in Majma?u ?l-Bahrayn (which is a dictionary of Qur?anic and hadith terms) defines al-khimar as ?scarf, and it is known as such because the head is covered with it.?2

So the word khimar, by definition, means a piece of cloth that covers the head.   This information is found here:(www.al-islam.org)


Anyone who can give me some more information about the subject? Can anyone give a good explanation why or why not I should cover my head?  Thank you!:)

[imrankhawaja]

hijab is not required... i mean u dnt need to cover ur hairs...

[A Submitter]

Salam,

24:31 And tell the believing females to lower their gaze and maintain their chastity; and they should not reveal their beauty except what is apparent. And they should put forth their shawls over their cleavage, and they should not reveal their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or their women, or those committed to by their oath, or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet understood the composition of women. And they should not strike with their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their beauty. And repent to God, all of you believers, that you may succeed.


Nothing about shawl over your head, but over cleavage.

This verse taken from Free-Minds online Quran.

Salam

[Tuva82]

You see, this is the problem! Some muslims say this, others that. Which translation can I trust? And how can I know who's telling the truth when everyone claims they are right?

Not a word about the 'kimar'?

Here is an example of another opinion on the subject: and I am still confused..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AALgGKSnU2g

[A Submitter]

You see, this is the problem! Some muslims say this, others that. Which translation can I trust? And how can I know who's telling the truth when everyone claims they are right?

Not a word about the 'kimar'?

Here is an example of another opinion on the subject: and I am still confused..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AALgGKSnU2g

If it's sectarian, don't follow it. I don't know Nouman, but if he's sectarian, never open another video of him.

Here is an article on Free-Minds about the words hijab and khimar and which is correct meaning according to the study.

Remember to verify yourself what is written in this article according to 17:36!

17:36  And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for.

http://www.free-minds.org/womens-dress-code-islam

Salam

[A Submitter]

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[Zulf]

You see, this is the problem! Some muslims say this, others that. Which translation can I trust? And how can I know who's telling the truth when everyone claims they are right?

Not a word about the 'kimar'?

Here is an example of another opinion on the subject: and I am still confused..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AALgGKSnU2g

How great part does societal pressure play in your life?
Are you free to choose clothing style as you wish without reprimands?
I don't think different translations differ that much. It is rather traditions and culture that are projected onto the text. Such can differ.

Don't listen to people. Don't listen to fear, justified by thinking. Listen to your heart.

Peace

[truthseeker11]

Peace Tuva82, everyone,

Just found an old thread on this topic. Please go through it especially the last 2 pages:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14930.20

Quote from that thread:

The word used in the Qur'aan is "khumur", and not "khimaar". "Khumur" is plural of both "khimaar" and "khimirr", which have slightly different meanings. Please see the discussion from the following post onwards:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14616.msg135947#msg135947

"Khumur" is used in 24:31 and since this can be the plural of "khimirr" (which can mean any covering) then in terms of Classical Arabic and grammar, it is perfectly acceptable to translate it as a general covering/veil instead of a headcover.

In any case, the order in 24:31 is to cover the "juyub"/cleavage with the "khumur", and not to cover the "ru'us"/heads with it. Even if it is the plural of "khimaar" meaning "head and lower face cover", that does not automatically imply that the head and lower face needs to be covered too, unless there was an explicit order to do so. The God does not forget things and neither does He leave anything vague and unclear.

For example, if I order you to cover your head with your T-shirt (which usually means a chest and abdomen covering), it does not imply that I am also ordering you to cover your chest and abdomen, but clearly indicates that my intention is for you to cover your head only.

As far as the word "hijab" is concerned, it doesn't mean an item of clothing in the quran. Please read the following article for more details on "hijab" and "khumur":

http://www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm

Quotes from above article:

A headscarf (commonly called "hijab") is often worn by Muslim women, however this word is not used like this in The Quran. In fact, the word "hijab" is not even used to mean an item of clothing and simply means something which intervenes between two things, e.g. barrier, screen, seclusion. All verses where this word occurs are as follows: 7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45, 19:17, 83:15. It should also be noted that believing men and women are free to eat in each other's company, whether family or friends [24:61], thus a veil covering the face (commonly called "niqab", or the full veil "burqa") would obviously be impractical. Again, such an item of clothing is nowhere to be found in The Quran.

Additional notes for Arabic readers:
The word "khumur" is used in 24:31 and can be the plural of "khimaar" or "khimirr", and can mean any cover made of cloth or headcover, according to Classical Arabic dictionaries and Traditional Ahadith/Narrations (see Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 282). Please note the Arabic preposition "bi" meaning "with" in "bikhumurihinna", which means they are to cover their chests with their "khumur/covers/headcovers". The usage of preposition "bi" is different to the preposition "min" as used in 33:59 "min jalabeebihinna" which means to use a part of their "jilbab/outer-garment" in the modification suggested, i.e. not all of it has to be lowered or drawn near, just part of it. In 24:31 if God intended that part of it (e.g. headcover) stays on the head and part of it be used to cover the bosom, it would have been more appropriate to use "min khumurhinna". Furthermore, the word "yadribna" as used in 24:31 has no connotation of lengthening or lowering in any other occurrence, unlike "yudneena" in 33:59 which does, thus would have been more appropriate to use.
Even if "khumur" is taken to mean "headcovers" it should be noted that the order is to cover the chest, not the head - of course, one may cover their head if they wish.

Also see the following thread for another angle:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608391.0

Peace

[Man of Faith]

Concerning "hijab" you can always reason outside of scriptures and using your own logic. Veiling can be of practical use, but that depends on your spiritual insight and your priorities in life. And you would primarily not wear it for your own sake but make the life easier for someone else abstaining from this world. And the more young and fertile the heavier the bodily cover, while a fat old woman (or man) would perhaps not require a cover at all.

And the covering of the body is not misogynistic or used because men are above women or anything like that. It stems from spiritual insight that the instinct is something to be abstained from in this world and the women who wear it do it out of respect towards their male counterparts who would like to abstain without arousal. Much could be solved simply by "lowering the gaze", but in social interaction with women it can be tricky and then some cover can help, and it is not always possible to "look the other way".

And even a man should cover the body well.

But if primarily moving around in a community that does not care about triggering the instinct it does not matter if a woman wears it or not. It has to do with people's interests.

Additionally it should not be enforced by law to wear it.

Be well
Amenuel

[Neptin]

You see, this is the problem! Some muslims say this, others that. Which translation can I trust? And how can I know who's telling the truth when everyone claims they are right?

Not a word about the 'kimar'?

Here is an example of another opinion on the subject: and I am still confused..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AALgGKSnU2g

He is not being meticulous enough in his interpretation of Khimar. Scarves, Shawls, Mufflers all fall under Khimar since they are piece of cloth worn over the head. What he seem to miss is that a head cover is not basically a hair cover. The head cover is worn over the head. A woman may reveal her hair even while wearing a head cover over her head. See these images:

https://flamesoftruth.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/image.jpeg

https://flamesoftruth.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/indian-woman-wallpaper-20.jpg

Arab women did dress like this at the time. The Khimar was never an airtight concealment of the head, hair and neck as Nouman Ali will have you believe. The Arab women who wore the Khimar loosely, letting out part of their hair will would not understand Qur'an 24:31 as a directive to conceal every strand of their hair.