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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2016, 11:00:51 PM »
Yes.



in case of this , little bit explain me, this theory seems unrealistic , i think everybody have just one chance..

or in the case of test mode we can understand if a student miss his exam he will have to wait for another exam to get to the next level.. worldy measures this theory fit well , but in the case of life it will be helpful if you refer some verses or some reference that support this theory..

peace God bless you..

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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2016, 11:05:37 PM »


I will attempt to answer your question based on the knowledge I have been given, but please feel free to discard this if it does not resonate with you.



peace my brother,

i have no right to discard the understanding of anybody, everybody have a right o represent their views..

and about incranation , its something unscientific , in my humble knowledge the algorithm of life is birth death rebirth on judgement day..

but for the people who did not qualify for the next level we can put fit this theory but again quran is silent on this particular issue.. apart from the verse  , that there are some answers we will get  to know after this life..in which we dispute..

but thanx for opening a new way of thinkinng for me...i will study about it more..
and God bless you


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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2016, 11:45:04 PM »
quran is silent on this particular issue..

peace, i think this sums up this topic, we should not be conjecturing about things we have no knowledge of
What could i say that is better than what God has already informed us of?
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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2016, 03:54:28 AM »
in case of this , little bit explain me, this theory seems unrealistic , i think everybody have just one chance..

or in the case of test mode we can understand if a student miss his exam he will have to wait for another exam to get to the next level.. worldy measures this theory fit well , but in the case of life it will be helpful if you refer some verses or some reference that support this theory..

peace God bless you..

I find it unrealistic that a child is born to die without any possibility to have an impact on his or her condition. That is more illogical than my explanation. The world has reincarnation, imran.

I cannot refer to the sectarian interpretation of Quran to prove my point as it is just merely nonsensical and unrelated to what it is supposed to say. I could refer to my reinterpretation of Quran to show verses clearly and evidently showing reincarnation to be a true concept, but then you need to accept the prowess in my work.

And, imran, this is no theory. Quran has had no proper interpretation for hundreds of years, even more than a millennium. Many other scriptures despite their present often mistranslated shape represent the truth better than Quran as Quran is more or less nonsensical in its translation and interpretation. The only other scripture matching Quran's state is the so-called Old Testament which is nearly on par with the misleading nature of Quran. But, in the Bible the Gospels are the closest ones to the true portrayal although those are still poor translations originally in Syriac Aramaic.

God according to the Biblical Old Testament/Tanakh and Quran is more like a warlord, hateful and jealous. Quran deceptively seems so because a group of clerics and scholars messed with it in ancient times never being close to what is really is supposed to convey. I have not researched on the Old Testament yet in any greater extent, but a few brief checks have indicated at least once a severe error in translation.

And it is evident when people do not even know the word of Elah or Elohim or Allah and use it as if it means God. It shows they did not grasp the nature of God or Rabb which is the real attributing "name" of God in Arabic.

And if you refer to life, it would be illogical if anyone is doomed after one trial in this hard and deceptive environment. Many people are simply not born and raised in fair situations that would justify eternal punishment for failure when they had no possibility to focus anything on their salvation. You can skip what scriptures say and think about it rationally instead. Just look at the situation people are around you and how many young children die of starvation and then reflect on how they can be guilty of sin when they never even had done anything in particular in their lives. It simply is not sensible that they do not come again, for they clearly have done nothing of development of their Spirit to arrive in "Heaven". Be wise, imran, and skip the sectarian dogma and use your mind and think rationally.

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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2019, 11:53:55 AM »
This topic got of lot of  things to research..

lets solve this thing first what is meant by TWICE we give you life and death.

first theory, we were created before in some other forms of life where God ask us for becoming human being then we put to death..
and now here we have again life and death what we will face. 2 + 2 = 4  + we will b alive again for hereafter without getting dead again..

so equation is like this 2(life) + 2(death) + 1 life = 5 no dead in hereafter

lets go onto other theory ...just this life and death + the life what we will get hereafter

so equation is like this 2(life) + 1 (death)... = 3

how you guys make it 2(lifes) + 2 (death) = 4 ? [thats what we need to think]


ANOTHER

17:75 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and double the retribution in death

40:11 They will say: "Our Lord, You have made us die twice, and You have given us life twice. Now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out of this state?"

Guys apparently nobody's interested in the equation but i found another verse saying something similar.

RED is there is any hint of re-incarnation ?
or we can come back again and again thats REAL hell and once we passed we dnt have to come back ?
thats y death is mystery no religion give details of afterlife?
becoz if we know the mystery it will b no fun everybodys enjoying life relaxly that we will come back i dun know tbh lol .

but reincarnation is something interesting to think about, specially one chance philosphy is quite risky i feel ?

what you say lovely members ?

these two verses also hints towards evolutionary process of species and cells may b ?
becoz twice اثنتينand double ضعف also used as multipliedفيضاعفه respectively. example verse below.

57:11 Who will lend God a loan of righteousness that He may multiply it for him, and he will have a generous recompense.

its an old post at that  time i was totally rejecting the idea of re-incarnation although i always open to new ideas if that make sense so i m feeling i've start taking interest in reincarnation  and i start finding more verses regarding the concept of re-incarnation like this one.

2:28 How can you reject God when you were dead and He brought you to life? Then He makes you die, then He brings you to life, then to Him you return.

God bless you all.

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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2019, 11:18:10 PM »
as we know this life is test for all of us. but what will happen to the kids who get died in their young age or at their birth including the kids of non muslims..? where is the test for them. and how will they rewarded?

traditional understanding regarding the kids of non muslims,who died early is as follow..
they will serve all beleivers in the paradise but due to some points its quite illogical


I did asked similar question to my murabbi when I was a kid.
Back then his answer was "Since he died as non-muslim then he will be destined for hell. That's why you should be grateful that you were born in a Muslim family".
Which definitely troubled my common sense and conscience..

But I never thought I found a much worse answer from your posting 
"they will serve all beleivers in the paradise" :rotfl:
Who give out this answer? He must suffered from some sick enslaving mentality...

its an old post at that  time i was totally rejecting the idea of re-incarnation although i always open to new ideas if that make sense so i m feeling i've start taking interest in reincarnation  and i start finding more verses regarding the concept of re-incarnation like this one.

If the soul do exist, then many times incarnation is a possibility.
But the identity itself will be definitely be dead / gone, Jesus ain't coming back, Abe Lincoln ain't coming back, Elvis Presley ain't coming back.
The soul will be given new identity different than the previous, and probably different life context / culture / religion / tradition / era or even gender.

Which boils down to information of such life experience which will takes us to memory where information are being stored.

Soul Memory

In order for incarnation to works and fruitful, there need to be another 'memory' to store information of experiencing many identities. And it's not the brain of the body / identity which the soul are being attached to. As that brain will decay even during it's own lifetime and the memory will be lost.

Some people has hypothesized the existence of "soul memory" sometime dubbed as "subconscious memory". Which will survive the death of the identity and continuously store information as it experience many identities.

The similitude in computer world, the memory in the brain is like RAM. The information will be erased every time the OS gets rebooted. It is however the easiest and most accessible memory available to the running applications. While 'soul memory' functioned as hard drive / SD Card where it will survive many restarting of the systems.

Accessing Soul Memory

And some people has hypothesized that 'soul memory' can be accessed through hypnotism. By turning off the conscious memory, the subconscious memory can be accessed.
Thus the methodology of "Past Lives Regression" was born.. a mechanism to access and recall information from the 'soul memory'.

Maybe you should try experiencing the "Past Lives Regression" yourself.

I had a friend who told me that that he has went into one.
And he recalled one of his past life that he was a female working as prostitute.
I saw the experience resulted in a positive change to my friend, he become less judgmental and more sympathetic, especially towards prostitutes and female in general. As he believes that he used to be one.

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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2019, 06:50:47 PM »


But I never thought I found a much worse answer from your posting 
"they will serve all beleivers in the paradise" :rotfl:
Who give out this answer? He must suffered from some sick enslaving mentality...


May be he is a PEDO(bachay baz) at sick level thats why he was imagining the slave-boys in his wishful thinking.
lot of stories related with (bachay bazi) in small mosques even some events are in NEWS.

i myself in backhome read lot of newspaper stories in crime section how (molvee/mosque-head) manupulate/seduce the kids by the factor of fear or by getting gifts for them.

sick bastards  :rotfl:

in my childhood i remember one sick cruel (molvee/qari), but good luck me and my five/six  cousins use to read in our own place and my uncles hired him to teach us at home, and i was just 11 if i remember correctly that d***head used to put the stick between fingers of cute kids and press it with force and it was a swear pain. one day he did same thing with me and tbh it was the first strange experience of my life and i planned to borrow  AIRGUN from my friend and next day i was waiting on my roof for him to come and like a SNIPER i was preparing to shot on his eye  :rotfl: :rotfl:.

GOD helped me becoz on that day he didnt come and i find out he had an accident, he was on bed and my uncles replaced someone else he was nice and very friendly ... God made my work easy to saving cute kids from monsters like him  :yay: otherwise his eye was at risk hahahaha


Maybe you should try experiencing the "Past Lives Regression" yourself.

I had a friend who told me that that he has went into one.
And he recalled one of his past life that he was a female working as prostitute.
I saw the experience resulted in a positive change to my friend, he become less judgmental and more sympathetic, especially towards prostitutes and female in general. As he believes that he used to be one.

AWW bless him, but if someone is rapist or murderer in past life then ? BIG trouble mate..

btw  i really wana do it tell me the PROCESS i m interested to know.
how to went into that procedure or do we need any help from someone expert in this field, if you know any (INFORMATION) about it let me know please.

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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2019, 11:46:12 AM »
AWW bless him, but if someone is rapist or murderer in past life then ? BIG trouble mate..

Even Moses was a murderer isn't he?
Soldier in a war is a murderer too..

Trouble and problems.. c'est la vie.. that's life.. shit happens..
How one recover from it, that's the lesson...

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btw  i really wana do it tell me the PROCESS i m interested to know.
how to went into that procedure or do we need any help from someone expert in this field, if you know any (INFORMATION) about it let me know please.

There are plenty of practitioners in the UK who can help you with it.. just google it..
Some say they could also 'access' it using meditation.. but I think that's more difficult..

PLR usually being performed as treatment for some traumatic problems.
For my friend's case, he has an unexplainable phobia against smoke.. any type of smoke.. which caused problems at his workplace.




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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2019, 08:49:41 AM »
Even Moses was a murderer isn't he?
Soldier in a war is a murderer too..

HUMAN killings

INDEED he was a murderer and also a fugitive  :rotfl: before prophethood and in the end he manage to save hundreds of slaves too..  i feel he did it well in the end..  ;)
dhul-qarnain also had a license of mass murdering on his choice..
DAVID killed golliath====> who was (villan for innocents)
solomon planned to killed a hippo or a general named as hippo who was absent from council meeeting..
( imagine if our boss planned to slay us due to absence) lol..

ANGELS killings
nations of lot, aad, samood noah, and also the kids who were present with the nations..

BOLD soldiers are obeying their orders its their DUTY so the one who command/generate that order will be the KILLER..



Trouble and problems.. c'est la vie.. that's life.. shit happens..
How one recover from it, that's the lesson...

indeed shit happens and the only thing comes in mind the reincarnation concept... but still confusing..

how one recover from it in the FRESH life..? his timeline started from the senses he adopt from new life..

whats about mass murderers like hitler/halako/ganghes also some heroes from muslim tradition omar/khalid/yazid how can they recover ?. let say one life for one death so do they have to reincarnate millions times for fixing their sins ? thats the point what make me confuse about reincarnation...

There are plenty of practitioners in the UK who can help you with it.. just google it..
Some say they could also 'access' it using meditation.. but I think that's more difficult..

yeh i received a link from one of my frd in PM i will do it in a free time i am really interested and i think i will spend lot of my future time on this concept called reincarnation... as i feeling it from heart to go and find out by myself..

PLR usually being performed as treatment for some traumatic problems.
For my friend's case, he has an unexplainable phobia against smoke.. any type of smoke.. which caused problems at his workplace.

you are right i also thought that way..

different people have different type of phobias possibly connected with PAST life..

i also have one type of phobia i.e color of blood i mean not RED color in general just the color of blood...
(but when i see blood i get fainted and sick and its a problem since i was kid) cant even see in movies when i already knew its fake blood .. in my early teen when i  used to see any accident in which blood color is there i found myself thinking bout it for many days ..


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Re: question from all ?
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2019, 09:13:24 AM »
HUMAN killings
INDEED he was a murderer and also a fugitive  :rotfl: before prophethood and in the end he manage to save hundreds of slaves too..  i feel he did it well in the end..  ;)

IF we believe the exodus legend is all truth and really happened.
Even after "prophethood" Moses did caused the death and drowning of hundreds (if not thousands) of Pharaoh's troops isn't he?
And he also ordered the mass murder of israelites who worshiped golden calf.

Not a 'good' man, with today's moral standard..
Yet the books seem to justify the murderous Moses by calling the victims as 'wrong - doers'.

Really?
Pharaoh troops are only following orders, as any troops supposed to do.
The golden calf worshiper might be stupid, yet so does the black stone kisser of today.
But do they really deserves to be murdered for their stupidity??
With today's moral standard the answer is NO

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dhul-qarnain also had a license of mass murdering on his choice..

DAVID killed golliath====> who was (villan for innocents)
solomon planned to killed a hippo or a general named as hippo who was absent from council meeeting..
( imagine if our boss planned to slay us due to absence) lol.. 

Correct.. there are many brutalities found within the (so-called) holy books..
If we're using today's moral standard.

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BOLD soldiers are obeying their orders its their DUTY so the one who command/generate that order will be the KILLER..

Correct, just like Pharaoh's troop...

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indeed shit happens and the only thing comes in mind the reincarnation concept... but still confusing..

how one recover from it in the FRESH life..? his timeline started from the senses he adopt from new life..

whats about mass murderers like hitler/halako/ganghes also some heroes from muslim tradition omar/khalid/yazid how can they recover ?. let say one life for one death so do they have to reincarnate millions times for fixing their sins ? thats the point what make me confuse about reincarnation...

The actual mechanism, if reincarnation is true, is still a mystery.
There are also those who has experienced that their 'past' life is not in the 'past' but in the 'future'.
Looks like time is actually not flowing sequentially as we perceived normally in 'this' life.

But if you asked me, what should be the proper way for 'mass murderer' to 'recover'; It is to experience of becoming the victims of the murder.

I have a nephew who often abused his own (little) brother.
I 'educate' him by performing the same abuse to him, thus he will understand what does it feel like to be his brother. I then ask him the following questions: "How do you feel being treated as such?" "Do you like it?" "What you are feeling now is what your little brother feel when you abuse him".
The objective is NOT to punish or avenge but to make him learn from the experience, trying to build his empathy... see and feel it from the 'opposite' side...

Let Moses become the Pharaoh now (or the pharaoh's troop or the golden calf worshiper), and see how well he 'perform' with such different context..

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yeh i received a link from one of my frd in PM i will do it in a free time i am really interested and i think i will spend lot of my future time on this concept called reincarnation... as i feeling it from heart to go and find out by myself..

i also have one type of phobia i.e color of blood i mean not RED color in general just the color of blood...
(but when i see blood i get fainted and sick and its a problem since i was kid) cant even see in movies when i already knew its fake blood .. in my early teen when i  used to see any accident in which blood color is there i found myself thinking bout it for many days ..

You're right brother.. try it, seek it and share your experience.. for others to learn..