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smmirza1

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Helping students cheat
« on: July 11, 2016, 06:10:53 AM »
Hey guys,
Over the past couple of years, I have been writing essays for college students.  I have searched in the Quran for any thing which prohibits this but am unable to find it.  Are there any relevant verses which you know of regarding the matter?  These are the verses which are pertinent but they don't say anything about what I am doing:

4:29 O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not devour one another's possessions wrongfully - not even by way of trade based on mutual agreement- and do not destroy one another: for, behold, God is indeed a dispenser of grace unto you!

17:35 And give full measure whenever you measure, and weigh with a balance that is true:this will be [for your own] good, and best in the end.

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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2016, 06:48:43 AM »
are you writting esssey from somebody else stuff, i mean plagarising or just write your own views ,,?

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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2016, 06:56:16 AM »
I think you'll be better served by looking at concepts in the quran, like independent thought and the importance of being truthful and so on. Are they using/buying these essays and passing them off as their own? That's wrong. Are they using it to help them better understand and/or compose their own? Not wrong...etc. Perhaps you should have some sort of disclaimer...realizing what they may be used for. You should at least have a say in how they should be used in the best possible way rather than the worst.
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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2016, 07:24:16 AM »
i think i little bit understand what is the nature of the business,

actually people pay for assignments and then the students submit these assignments for marks like exams and now a days there are different people in market who make assignment for the sake of money ,,

i think it comes in the sense of dishonesty or cheating, or unfair play..

one of my frd was also offering me for this kinda business but i just refuse it due to the logics behind all this..

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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2016, 10:04:28 AM »
Salaam,
Yes I do have a disclaimer saying this work is not to be passed as your own. As I said in my earlier post, I would like verses to back up your arguments.  The verses I highlighted do not address my issue.

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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2016, 10:15:00 AM »
Wait so I don't really understand... You say you're helping students cheat by writing papers for them, but you also say that the work is not to be passed off as their own? How are they using your papers then?
10:109 Follow what is being inspired to you and be patient until God judges.

57:3 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Innermost. And He is fully aware of all things.

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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2016, 10:36:48 AM »
Salaam,
Yes I do have a disclaimer saying this work is not to be passed as your own. As I said in my earlier post, I would like verses to back up your arguments.  The verses I highlighted do not address my issue.
What arguments? You want specific verses for why you shouldn't sell essays to students that were going to pass it off as their own? It's pretty crystal even without specific verses. It's like saying I want to know if there is a verse that prohibits a particular 'bad' thing when not all bad things are specifically listed but come under general concepts of prohibition in a connected way. If you do have a disclaimer, then what is the reason you're looking for verses that prohibit selling essays to students? Be clear please. As far as I can tell given the limited information available is that someone is looking for a specific prohibition on selling essays to students, so they are obviously concerned about the negative ramifications of such which would include being a party to or facilitating plagiarism. It's not as if you're looking for the prohibition because it can only be a good thing. So, no there aren't any verses in the quran that say 'do not sell essays to college students' but there are plenty of verses that talk about doing honest work, not deceiving others, being righteous, truthful etc that are pretty basic and can be easily found and by extension cover things that involve deceit...if one is party to doing so knowingly, they too are complicit. If you think your work falls into such a category, or is doing more harm than good then you need to re-evaluate what you can do to limit that harm, amplify the good and/or drop it. There isn't much more to say.
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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2016, 10:48:22 AM »
The only way I could see this making sense in helping them cheat is if the students are paraphrasing the sentences in your essays into their own words, so it resembles their own written voice. So theoretically it would be their essay, but they would be taking your essay structure and ideas to get the grade.
10:109 Follow what is being inspired to you and be patient until God judges.

57:3 He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Innermost. And He is fully aware of all things.

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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2016, 04:34:38 PM »
Hello,
So here are the details.  My site works on a freelancing model where students post homework and then tutors write out solutions.  It could be anything from math problems, exams to essays.  I know that students are using the site to cheat.  However, I am not deceiving anyone here.  The disclaimer states pretty explicitly that all work is owned by tutors and that students cannot pass it on their own.  Obviously, most students are using the work as is.  This is what concerns me and I was looking for some references from the Quran addressing this issue.  Keep in mind the whole issue of cheating is a gray area.  Some students don't have the time (working in low paying jobs) or the aptitude to pass a class.  The educational system as a whole is pretty corrupt with ridiculous tuition and favoring students with high income background.  Most classes are required for students to take them and have no real world significance.  I am not defending cheating here but giving you a background.  The fact of the matter is that me personally have no control on how students use the material given to them by tutors.  I am being a 100% honest with students (my customers) and providing a product which they are paying for.  Hope this makes more sense.

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Re: Helping students cheat
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2016, 06:04:54 PM »
Hello,
So here are the details.  My site works on a freelancing model where students post homework and then tutors write out solutions.  It could be anything from math problems, exams to essays.  I know that students are using the site to cheat. 

so basically you are doing their homework on their behalf, by getting money so you are infact selling education , why dnt you become a tutor to teach education instead of selling..

its something like you are selling something which they have no knowledge off, if somebody become a doctor but dnt know how to operate, if somebody become an engineer but dnt know how to construct,

either way its something i would not suggest you to do, it cannot be right? by any justification

honesty is the best policy , again if a person get a job by your provided homework and the one who struggle a lot with his own study and did not get any job who really deserve it, how you will feel?

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