10 Privileges in Renouncing Prima scriptura for Sola scriptura Islam

[imrankhawaja]

RED: may be?  Allah forbids EVERY fahisha.

hmm exactly

[N00B]

04. Gender Interaction:

If like me you grew up in a religious traditional Muslim household, you must have been taught at one point or the other that shaking hands, chatting(online/offline) with or even befriending the opposite gender is forbidden and male-female interaction by puberty should minimal to zero if possible. Whether in the sermons from mosques or lectures by Muslim committees like Muslim Student's Societies, such gender interactions are regarded vices that ultimately pave way for adultery and fornication, thus justifying gender segregation. Most traditional Muslims, particularly teens and young adults seldom adhere to these teachings, though with guilt and denial. I was no exception in my days as a traditional Muslim, I had girls offer me handshake and I could not oblige, I shook their hands feeling slightly guilty for violating, yet I couldn't fathom how a simple handshake would predispose me to a path of sexual decadence.

Today, I even initiate handshake with these women, sit side by side with them, some of them are my friends and I have no reservation chatting with them. Relative to my days as a traditional Muslim, isn't this a privilege?

I think that strict gender segregation practices sexualizes the minds besides guilt because it's taught that any innocent talks or gestures to the opposite gender leads to sex. Viewing opposite genders talking to each other or shaking hands as 'sexual' acts harms the mindsets among Muslims. The opposite gender especially women are treated as sex objects or 'forbidden fruits'. Besides that, I don't think that rule works for homosexual Muslims. 

[Comrox]

red: I hope you meant joking 

An no it's not a joke, people do and invent the most bizarre things.

Some time ago I saw on tv some sunni women. They believed that hair covering was indeed a command of God BUT they disagreed with Him on this.
You know what they did? No of course you do not know.
They wore very beautiful wigs over their hair as a headscarf 

Don't Jewish women do that after they're married?

[Comrox]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=av5_YJkanow

For your information and amusement, watch the above 3 minute video. You can see that traditional Muslim scholars live far from reality.

I got to the 1:07 mark and had to stop watching. I couldn't finish it. Not after the shaykh started talking about hormonal problems. How dare a single man talk to a woman - he must want to jump in bed with her right away!

They do that where you are? My Saudi friend here in UAE told me similar. He said their marriage is arranged and quickly conducted, if they do not get along, they divorce. Thus, like dating several times before settling with your life partner, Saudis marry and divorce several times before settling with someone for good. Thus, divorce rate are high.

Not where I am, no. I just follow forums and read it online. Although I did hear elsewhere that if one fears falling into sin, marriage is obligatory for them. So... I guess a lot of Muslim teenagers should be getting married at 16 or 17 years old.

Yea, but the primary reasons they prohibit them is because Hadith teachings prohibit pictures of living things and since films, animation, photos depict pictures of living things, they are forbidden too.

Ah alright, cool; I didn't know that.

I think that strict gender segregation practices sexualizes the minds besides guilt because it's taught that any innocent talks or gestures to the opposite gender leads to sex. Viewing opposite genders talking to each other or shaking hands as 'sexual' acts harms the mindsets among Muslims. The opposite gender especially women are treated as sex objects or 'forbidden fruits'. Besides that, I don't think that rule works for homosexual Muslims. 

I agree 100%.

[reel]

I am not sure why day by day my feeling is getting more negative towards prima scriptura . Of course, to obey Quran, outside I went with "To You Your Religion and To Me Mine" in front of the sectarians. I suppose my view is changing because of the terrorists from BD. My friends sent me lots of info on them. The main fault of the terrorists was that their parents didn't have answers to their questions about Islam. One was just bought a Quran and told to read it. The others didn't receive anything. So they ended up going to people who they thought had the answer and that's what did the damage. Apparently, an arrested man said they were used for some other purpose and not because of Islam.

The problem here is that the sects will never admit that they do look up to imams.I mean just think about the cases of fasting.

"Does insulin shot break the fast?" Let's ask a "learned" scholar.

Sectarians will never admit that they do not take personal responsibility for their religion. They do not even open the Quran to get their answers. Hence, Yahoo answers has questions like: Does Quran say music is haram?

The end result is that a small group of "experts" are running the religion because they have the keys to heaven. But absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Another thing is hijab. I truly understand that its needed in hot Middle East. But when it is made into a religious thing all men are treated like potential rapists. An incident happened just a few days ago in my friend's house. This hijabi was bare head with us. But when the father of the friend came in she put it on. It made me feel so so bad. I didn't see any respect in it. It was more like "although you are a 60 year old man, I can't trust you".
Here is one woman saying how men "undress" nonhijabis women with their eyes: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/26263/1/why-i-love-wearing-hijab
You are gonna see this same explanation from the rest.

How is that different from some people's claim that all Muslims are terrorist?

[Comrox]

Sectarians will never admit that they do not take personal responsibility for their religion. They do not even open the Quran to get their answers. Hence, Yahoo answers has questions like: Does Quran say music is haram?

I would blame this one on the tafsir that interprets the verse as such. It seems Muslims are taught that when they read Qur'an, they have to be reading the tafsir along with it.

Here is one woman saying how men "undress" nonhijabis women with their eyes: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/26263/1/why-i-love-wearing-hijab
You are gonna see this same explanation from the rest.

And you can find another op-ed written by another woman who says she felt "naked" wearing a burka, because of the way all the guys were looking at her.

How is that different from some people's claim that all Muslims are terrorist?

From what I've experienced online, Muslims with no experience of the west don't like it. I guess that can be something to be expected when you have no experience or understanding of another culture. (Singling out the west here since there's so much news coverage of radicalized Muslims.) But what I dislike is the level of generalization, assumptions, and hate for citizens.

Some Muslims seem to have all these ideas about the west (although of course who doesn't have ideas ) without proof, facts, or experience. They think all people in the west do drugs, drink, have sex all the time, wear tight revealing clothing, disrespect their parents, encourage homosexuality, rebel against authority, rebel against faith, have kids out of wedlock, are all feminists, have no moral values, etc. Some people even seem to think that it's good that the west hates them because they shouldn't like us Muslims, or they think the west is bad, completely evil, "May Allah protect all the Muslims", "the west is terrible because they [says something with no facts whatsoever to support their claims]", "Allah hates the west - they are the worst people with the worst ways", etc.

I was willing to give even the most conversative traditional Muslims the benefit of the doubt. But after seeing some things said online, I'm shocked. Most seem to repeatedly generalize and hate on all the citizens of certain nations. I don't know what to think towards people who say such things anymore.

[huruf]

Some time I read a remark about british politics: for every thing and every country Great Britain always has to different and oppoing policie and none is good for you.

This si the dame thing, boths extremes are pushed simultaneously and the moderate honest eople are caught in the middle forcing them all the time to radicalise one way or the other. Withsomuch work spent enn the last twenty year to push us dawn that road the wonder is that we are not all already killing each other and from which side is the least of things.

Sometime there will be a pretext (of course fabricated) like the arson of the Reichstag  under the nazis or the 911 and we will find ourselves a higher degree beyond the poit of no return. I mean sobviousy those of us who are not yet there, because obviously for Somalia, Palestina, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libia, South Sudan, Syria, they are already there and having  been mostly moderate peaceful people has nnot availed them anything, nor will us, any of us, humans.

Salaam

[Adam The Warner]

07. Beards

Never liked beards, feels like weight hanging over my face and chin. Searched in futility for evidence from Hadith books that keeping beards was not obligatory for men. The beards in a way is similar to hijab, it gives away that you are Muslim quickly and is often treated as a yardstick to determine how devoted to Islam you are. In essence, the clean shaven look on men is often seen as crave for westernization and aversion to Muslim culture.

I have the choice to keep or trim my beards without fear of offending God. Of course I may still be judged, admonished or overlooked but I can live with that.

Quran 5:44 We have sent down the Torah, in it is a guidance and a light; the prophets whohave submitted judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Devotees, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of the Book of God, and they were witness over. So do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.

Torah - Leviticus 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.