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The Quranic stance on ghosts

Started by Taro Hiroshi, May 26, 2016, 09:34:49 PM

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imrankhawaja

Quote from: Taro Hiroshi on May 29, 2016, 08:26:12 PM


http://quranaissance.com/was-solomon-superman-there-is-no-basis-for-demonology-in-the-quran/?page-id=518&print=pdf

whoever write this article i want to dig out his eyes out of his body to show him , tricks cannot applied to self referencing book quran.

And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud.(15:26)

And [mention] when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud(15:28)

He said, "Never would I prostrate to a human whom You created out of clay from an altered black mud."(15:33)

He created man from clay like [that of] pottery.(55:14)

same root word صَلْصَالٍ is used when it was very beggining of human being.

now look what he interpret this word in his article.
21:37: ?Khulaq-al-insaanu min ?ajal,? or ?mankind is created from haste?, meaning with a ?hasty?
temperament.

just for making things go like his ways he reffered above  verse like this

Edip-Layth (Quran: A Reformist Translation)
21:37 The human being is made of haste. I will show you My signs, so do not be in a rush.

The Monotheist Group (The Quran: A Monotheist Translation)
21:37 Manhas been created from haste. I will show you My signs, so do not be hasty.

Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
21:37 Man is a creature of haste;49 [but in time] I shall make obvious to you [the truth of] My mes?sages: do not, then, ask Me to hasten [it]

Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
21:37 The human being is impatient by nature. I will inevitably show you My signs; do not be in such a hurry.

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
21:37 Man has been created with a tendency to be hasty and looking for instant gains or results. Soon enough, I will show you more of My signs, but do not ask Me to hasten.

clearly these verses are talking about nature of human/character, but the verses regarding physical nature/body is already reffered above with root words صَلْصَالٍ and the same word applied in other occassions in quran which i already refer.

how can they claim something when they dnt even have a basic knowledge of language . what i can say now.




imrankhawaja

55:14 خلق الانسن من صلصل كالفخار
55:14 khalaqa al-ins?na min SalS?lin kaal-fakhkh?ri
Transcription (English)
55:14 Khalaqa al-insana min salsalinkaalfakhkhari

The Monotheist Group (The Quran: A Monotheist Translation)
55:14 He created man from a sludge, like pottery.

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
55:14 He created the human (initially) out of sounding inorganic matter, like pottery.


55:15 وخلق الجان من مارج من نار
55:15 wakhalaqa al-j?nna min m?rijin min n?rin
Transcription (English)
55:15 Wakhalaqa aljanna min marijinmin narin

The Monotheist Group (The Quran: A Monotheist Translation)
55:15 And the Jinn He created from a smokeless fire.

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
55:15 And the Jinns: He has created out of smokeless fire (with an unstable fiery disposition).

physical nature of two different beings. what quran tells us.

or if we consider the way the article person want,

the iinterpretation is something like that, he created the civilised human with clay and he created the uncivlised human with fire , 

does it make sense, lol  :nope:


hanslan

Maybe this explains ghosts taken from elsewhere in forum:

Qareen as soulmate

We assign a devil (Qareen) as a soulmate for whoever turns away from the revelations of the Lord of Mercy, and they hinder them from the path, though they think they are guided. [43:36]

Al Khidr19

Quote from: hanslan on May 29, 2016, 11:50:06 PM
Maybe this explains ghosts taken from elsewhere in forum:

Qareen as soulmate

We assign a devil (Qareen) as a soulmate for whoever turns away from the revelations of the Lord of Mercy, and they hinder them from the path, though they think they are guided. [43:36]

Qur'aan 43:36 has nothing to do with a ghost.  The only reason why some one would interpret that verse like that is a result of their belief system-where they believe that the devil, jinns are invisible spirits.  The Qur'aan 72:6 makes it clear that they are men, people, human beings so when Qur'aan 43:36 states how Allah will make or appoint a devil to be your companion, not soulmate but companion, its talking about how He will leave you with wicked, evil, unrighteous people.  There is nothing mystical or spooky about that verse.  I want to share with you another verse where you can see the Arabic word used for "devils" is talking about physical men, people and not invisible spirits floating in the air:

Qur'aan 2:14
When they meet the believers, they say, ?We believe,? but when alone with their devils, they say, ?We are still with you; we were only mocking.?


You can easily tell by the context here the "devils" are referring to men, people and not invisible spirits, spooks floating in the air.
Qur'aan 2:2-This scripture is infallible; it?s a guidance to the select, who tremble at the mention of Allah.

hawk99

Peace Al Khidr19 My question seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Quote from: hawk99 on May 29, 2016, 01:27:33 PM
Peace Al Khidr19, very interesting post, my question is: When the jinn and human produce
offspring is that offspring jinn or human or a mixture of both, part jinn part human?   


                      :hmm


                            8)
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

imrankhawaja

Quote from: hawk99 on May 30, 2016, 05:55:21 PM
Peace Al Khidr19 My question seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle.


                            8)

answer is mixed creation being,  like a mixed race human being.  :rotfl:

examples,

mr india, sometimes visible sometime invisible,
mr blade, half human half vampire, who have a ability to walk in daylight.
marmaid, half human half fish,
naagin  half human half snake with possible abilty to change shape whatever she like,
ginats or bonnies , in gulliver travels, lol  :jedi:


hawk99

Quote from: imrankhawaja on May 30, 2016, 06:13:37 PM
answer is mixed creation being,  like a mixed race human being.  :rotfl:

examples,

mr india, sometimes visible sometime invisible,
mr blade, half human half vampire, who have a ability to walk in daylight.
marmaid, half human half fish,
naagin  half human half snake with possible abilty to change shape whatever she like,
ginats or bonnies , in gulliver travels, lol  :jedi:

:rotfl:   :!   did you forget the centaur:




The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

imrankhawaja

Quote from: hawk99 on May 30, 2016, 06:44:15 PM
:rotfl:   :!   did you forget the centaur:




:bravo: yeh i admit, i forget infact i wasnot aware about it, thanx for increasing my knowledge God bless you,,

one question , can you tell me how to post a picture in the post?

hawk99

Quote from: imrankhawaja on May 30, 2016, 08:16:08 PM
:bravo: yeh i admit, i forget infact i wasnot aware about it, thanx for increasing my knowledge God bless you,,

one question , can you tell me how to post a picture in the post?

Yes imrankhawaja, right click the picture, click copy, add the link to
your post, highlight the link, click on the icon that says image,
(on my computer it is between flash and insert hyperlink)
click image and Insha'Allah you will have a picture on your post!


Gotta go   :)


                     
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

Hizbullah

Salam Taro...

Very Interesting post,

:peace:
Q:02:32 - They said, "Exalted are YOU; we have no knowledge except what YOU have taught us. Indeed, it is YOU who is the Knowing, the Wise."