Shalom Aleikhem Bender,
After a long time. Hope you are doing well.
Hi SoA,
I am fine thank you. How are you?
I think you misinterpreted his question. He wasn't saying that "free will" itself if predetermined. He was saying that God already KNEW how it'll end for that person. Therefore, rendering free will IRRELEVANT and passing judgement ASININE! If you still don't get it, let me provide the following example:
- You created a humanoid terminator style robot that makes decisions on it's own (FREE WILL)
- EVEN BEFORE MAKING THE ROBOT you KNEW that the robot will go shoot your mom in the face and kill her
- You make the robot, the robot runs to your mom and shoots her in the face killing her
The robot did it out of it's "free will". However, are you free of guilt? You made that robot knowing what it'd do after booting up. That could be held up in a court of law against you. As long as you confess to having full knowledge in advance and still went ahead with your plan to make the robot, you are partly responsible. In fact, between you and the robot, you had more "free will". You could have chosen not to make the robot and your mom would have been alive. But the robot didn't have that luxury. The robot's fat had only ONE outcome which you have foreseen.
What makes all of this more bizarre is that then you end up being the judge who sentences the robot to torture for it's crime!
Well I actually heard this reasoning before, but it's the same.
In your example you have decided that God already knew how it will end for that person even before that is in existence.
On basis of what did you conclude this?
Here is my version of the free will, I hope for some feedback, some flaws I overlooked, not only from you but also of course any one else. Or maybe a better theory.
Allah creates whatever He wills, simply because He is Allah. He does what He wants.
He created (and creates) every kind of thing. One of those things is a will who is free from His will in the sense that it can make it's own decisions.
The will has a like an infinite ways to program itself (make decisions). But because of His mercy, He showed/s the will what is behind every code. When you try to use a bad code, you will always get red warnings before you do so. The more evil behind a code the more alarm-bells you will hear. When you want to use a good code you will get encouragement to go on and use that code.
With other words Allah knows what you want to hit (he knows every soul) but He did not program you to hit what He wants, He left that to you. That is your free will.
Allah knows exactly what is in me now but it is me who is writing my own book.
You may say that Allah knows the future so He knows already what I am going to decide, like you explained in your example.
But the future simply does not exist. Only NOW exists, there is no future, except the NOW.
We are thinking in time, but time simply does not exist, it's just an abstract tool we "created" to "count" 2 existing moments. Because everything is in motion we have chosen to count time by the movement of things which are determined in their motion/existence.
It is not that the whole universe from begin to end was already created and Allah is watching a movie he already made, which He knows the outcome of, no we are living in the unvierses creation/evolution.
This what you see (and obviously all the things we do not see or know) that is His creation at prime time and we are NOW living in the middle of it.
What is gone is gone, what has to come He did not create it yet. He did not already created the world of "tomorrow" but "tomorrow" he will create the world of "tomorrow".
I think a lot of things He created are determined, not created yet but determined. That is why we can calculate physical things for the future.
The human soul is different, he gave it the gift to evolve itself in the NOW in a way the soul chooses it self, not determinerend, so we are in charge of our own evolution and we are responsible for the evolution of the planet earth, the place He gave to us to live in. We are in fact the ultimate terminators.
With the difference of course that He still has total control of us, I mean He still can do whatever He wills with us.
I can go on but I guess this is getting boring
@Sturtlaghari
What if God exists and is not good and not all that intelligent or truthful?
Peace
----------------- Student of Allah
I think then you are talking about shaytaan not about Allah.
