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Started by hicham9, December 17, 2015, 09:13:01 AM

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hicham9

Quote from: brook on December 23, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
What repeats yearly? The year?

The tropical year :



Quote from: brook on December 23, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
... For example the lunar year has no answer to your question "What season was the Prophet  born?"

That ain't my question, but yours !

Regardless, i don't know of any primary source that provides us with Mhmd's alleged date of birth! And, mind you, the lunar "Hijri" calendar is a joke.

SLM
I was not delivered in this world into defeat, nor does failure course my veins.
I'm not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, walk or sleep with the sheep.

brook

Quote from: hicham9 on December 24, 2015, 08:10:00 AM
The tropical year !

Definitely.
The year that repeats is the tropical year, which is also called the solar year.
The solar year repeats because it has a sense of time.

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The series of full moons (iddat ash-shohoor in 9:36) are
the full moons between two consecutive summer solstices.

The first four of them are the forbiden full moons,
whose names can be Ramadan, Dhul Hijjah, Rajab and Dhul Qidah.

26 Jun- 625-26 Jul-24 Aug-23 Sep-23 Oct-21 Nov-21 Dec-20 Jan 626-18 Feb-19 Mar-18 Apr-17 May-15 Jun
15 July 626-13 Aug-12 Sep-12 Oct-10 Nov-10 Dec-09 Jan 627-08 Feb-08 Mar-06 Apr-06 May-04 Jun
03 July 627-02 Aug-31 Aug-30 Sep-29 Oct-28 Nov-28 Dec-27 Jan 628-25 Feb-27 Mar-25 Apr-25 May
23 Jun 628-22 Jul-21 Aug-19 Sep-19 Oct-17 Nov-17 Dec-16 Jan 629-15 Feb-16 Mar-15 Apr-14 May-13 Jun
12 July 629-10 Aug-09 Sep-08 Oct-07 Nov-06 Dec-05 Jan 630-04 Feb-05 Mar-04 Apr-04 May-02 Jun
02 July 630-29 Aug-28 Sep-27 Oct-26 Nov-25 Dec-24 Jan 631-22 Feb-23 Mar-22 Apr-22 May-20 Jun

The 15 June full  moon in 626
and the 13 June full moon 629 are EXTRA full moons in their own series.
If they are postponed to the next series in order to concoct a 12-moon thing to be called the lunar year, it is not a year at all.
It is nothing of the sort.
It has no sense of time, no forbidden moons, no "no hunting" times, no seasons
as follows: 

26 Jun 625-26 Jul-24 Aug-23 Sep-23 Oct-21 Nov-21 Dec-20 Jan 626-18 Feb-19 Mar-18 Apr-17 May
15 Jun-15 July 626-13 Aug-12 Sep-12 Oct-10 Nov-10 Dec-09 Jan 627-08 Feb-08 Mar-06 Apr-06 May
04 Jun-03 July 627-02 Aug-31 Aug-30 Sep-29 Oct-28 Nov-28 Dec-27 Jan 628-25 Feb-27 Mar-25 Apr
25 May-23 Jun 628-22 Jul-21 Aug-19 Sep-19 Oct-17 Nov-17 Dec-16 Jan 629-15 Feb-16 Mar-15 Apr
14 May-13 Jun-12 July 629-10 Aug-09 Sep-08 Oct-07 Nov-06 Dec-05 Jan 630-04 Feb-05 Mar-04 Apr
04 May-02 Jun-02 July 630-29 Aug-28 Sep-27 Oct-26 Nov-25 Dec-24 Jan 631-22 Feb-23 Mar-22 Apr
22 May-20 Jun

Would the Prophet Muhammad allow it in the 620's, when he was alive?

brook

Quote from: hicham9 on December 24, 2015, 08:10:00 AM
The tropical year :



That ain't my question, but yours !

Regardless, i don't know of any primary source that provides us with Mhmd's alleged date of birth! And, mind you, the lunar "Hijri" calendar is a joke.

SLM

I agree with you hundred percent.
But there seems to be a misunderstanding concerning YOUR question.
I didn't mean YOU in person, I meant any person in their right mind. 

hicham9

Quote from: brook on December 24, 2015, 09:51:22 AM
I agree with you hundred percent.
But there seems to be a misunderstanding concerning YOUR question.
I didn't mean YOU in person, I meant any person in their right mind.

Ah, ok!

Thank you for clarifying :)

Quote from: hicham9 on December 24, 2015, 08:10:00 AM
The tropical year :


Clock/Dial Analogy:

Summer solstice is the equivalent of solar noon.
Its opposite/antithesis, winter solstice, is solar midnight.
Vernal & Autumnal equinoxes would thus match sunrise & sunset.
I was not delivered in this world into defeat, nor does failure course my veins.
I'm not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, walk or sleep with the sheep.

hicham9

Quote from: huruf on December 23, 2015, 10:39:35 AM
Why should there be a single calendar. Calendars can be made in many different ways taking different sets of data. Es really necessary that there should be an only calendar for all purposes? We can ade calendars to suit our purposes and depending on what that purpose is we will select the dat that seemsmost fitting.

Thank you for sharing your voice @huruf,
however, the issue here is not quantity, but quality.

Salute
I was not delivered in this world into defeat, nor does failure course my veins.
I'm not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, walk or sleep with the sheep.

huruf

But quality deends on the uses that the calendar should serve and where. Astronomical uses do not have to match agricultural uses nor agricultural in different kids of climate ad location are necessarily best served by the same calendar.

Diversity of calendar has been a constant as uch as diversity in may othr things, why, suddenly we must keep to a diet of single calendar is whimsical, as if there was scarcity of calendars.

Salaam 

hicham9

Quote from: huruf on December 25, 2015, 01:29:48 PM
Diversity of calendar has been a constant as uch as diversity in may othr things, why, suddenly we must keep to a diet of single calendar is whimsical, as if there was scarcity of calendars.

Do you actually use any of these other "diverse" calendars of yours ?!
Or, just want to keep following the imposed/pervasive calendar of gregory & maj. ?
In which case, you're free to suit urself !


Who's against "diversity" here @huruf ?! You, or me ?
Who's against exactness/efficiency and independent reasoning ?
Who's against inaccuracy/deficiency and blind taqlīd ?!
I was not delivered in this world into defeat, nor does failure course my veins.
I'm not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, walk or sleep with the sheep.

huruf

Quote from: hicham9 on December 26, 2015, 06:57:48 AM
Do you actually use any of these other "diverse" calendars of yours ?!
Or, just want to keep following the imposed/pervasive calendar of gregory & maj. ?
In which case, you're free to suit urself !


Who's against "diversity" here @huruf ?! You, or me ?
Who's against exactness/efficiency and independent reasoning ?
Who's against inaccuracy/deficiency and blind taqlīd ?!


Cree el ladr?n que todos son de su condici?n.

If you want to turn this into a championship to see who is more this or that, go ahead, without me.

Salaam

wrkmmn

peace:
QuoteThe lunar year does not repeat yearly = each year It comes 11 days earlier than the previous year, which means it is a different year each year. That is why it has no sense of time. For example the lunar year has no answer to your question "What season was the Prophet  born?"

This way of thinking is the result of your prostitution with the pagan western ideology. You are like prostitutes that have become madly in love with your lover.
QuoteThe lunar year does not repeat yearly = each year
a lunar cycle is a year.

QuoteWhat season was the Prophet  born
Muslims are not born in seasons. The prophet was born in a lunar phase, and he added a year to his age everytime that lunar phase repeated until he died.

even more ignorant than this questions, is to celebrate birthdays to death people.


may God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.

hicham9

Quote from: wrkmmn on December 26, 2015, 12:44:42 PMMuslims are not born in seasons.

Say whoat ?!!

Quote from: wrkmmn on December 26, 2015, 12:44:42 PM
This way of thinking is the result of your prostitution with the pagan western ideology.
You are like prostitutes that have become madly in love with your lover.

Resorting to personal attacks won't make the gibberish you say anymore valid !
I was not delivered in this world into defeat, nor does failure course my veins.
I'm not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, walk or sleep with the sheep.