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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2015, 12:11:51 PM »
the moderator told us to use the button report to point out whatever we found objectinable. I used the button about that signatture to report and I have not seen that anything has changed.

I've reported his comments perhaps 5 times over several years. No mod has ever indicated that they give a damn.

I wonder if I made my signature "The Iranians/Pakistanis are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy" how quickly would I be banned from the forum?

And guys, don't you know that the meaning of words has changed? Al-3arabu meant Arabs and Al-a3raabu referred to Asians! I swear! If only you were rightly guided by God to see the truth...

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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2015, 12:15:51 PM »
@THS

الأعراب is mistranslated on purpose all the time to say "Look even their book hates them!" and the verse in question is taken completely out context and doesn't show the subsequent verses which show that an entire people are not cursed by God.

@Huruf

Part of the problem is many contributors to this forum are so provincially-minded westerners who are set in their ways, it might benefit them to get out of their bedrooms to see the world, specifically the non-western world and start truly learning instead of getting all information from this and that online poster.

In the West I find Liberal racism is more subversive than Right Wing racism for MANY Liberals in their ignroance routinely spout a logic of "that ignorant Turk and his racism towards poor Kurds, that ignorant Arab and his racism towards those poor Jews and that ignorant Russian and his racism towards those poor Ukranians" and are yet convinced they are open minded non-racist people. If anyone thinks I'm constructing a straw man I will be happy to offer examples.

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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2015, 12:43:57 PM »
I've reported his comments perhaps 5 times over several years. No mod has ever indicated that they give a damn.

I wonder if I made my signature "The Iranians/Pakistanis are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy" how quickly would I be banned from the forum?

And guys, don't you know that the meaning of words has changed? Al-3arabu meant Arabs and Al-a3raabu referred to Asians! I swear! If only you were rightly guided by God to see the truth...

Well I suppose nothing prevents us from having a good time by learning the course "how to make and unmoderable signature and get away with it".

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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2015, 12:48:23 PM »
@THS

الأعراب is mistranslated on purpose all the time to say "Look even their book hates them!" and the verse in question is taken completely out context and doesn't show the subsequent verses which show that an entire people are not cursed by God.

@Huruf

Part of the problem is many contributors to this forum are so provincially-minded westerners who are set in their ways, it might benefit them to get out of their bedrooms to see the world, specifically the non-western world and start truly learning instead of getting all information from this and that online poster.

In the West I find Liberal racism is more subversive than Right Wing racism for MANY Liberals in their ignroance routinely spout a logic of "that ignorant Turk and his racism towards poor Kurds, that ignorant Arab and his racism towards those poor Jews and that ignorant Russian and his racism towards those poor Ukranians" and are yet convinced they are open minded non-racist people. If anyone thinks I'm constructing a straw man I will be happy to offer examples.

Yes, it is true, every penchant has its own resourceful brand of racism, also de criticism against racism is many times another brnad of racism. But it becomes accepted as kosher.

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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2015, 12:53:25 PM »
Yes, it is true, every penchant has its own resourceful brand of racism, also de criticism against racism is many times another brnad of racism. But it becomes accepted as kosher.

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Why won't those nasty Arabs just leave those poor Jews alone?!??!??!!? :&

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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2015, 05:05:14 PM »
I agree with you ths. And racism towards Arabs from Muslims comes from Muslims living in the West who think that the West is a good example of Islam despite its attrocities (indeed they lack critical thinking) and also from non-Arab Muslims living in the GCC-countries that are enjoying the beautiful landscape while supporting their anti-Arab crusade outside the country. I saw this Indonesian that enjoyed bashing a Palestinian state and Palestinians while she enjoys living in a GCC country. And an example of those 'Western' Muslims is Maajid Nawaz who barely condemns the action of Israel and just condemns the actions of the Palestinians just to promote his 'moderate' ideology while he supports his indirect anti-Palestine crusade and while he enjoys pretending being neutral and liberal. Afterall how else are you going to promote your garbage ideology infront of right-wing Westerners if you are not making excuses for their miserable region?  Western Muslims like Maajid Nawaz in a nutshell: "ARAB WORLD IS EVIL, WEST IS GOOD EXAMPLE OF ISLAM". Boy, maybe he should have been sent back in time to his West, hopefully he can enjoy those rights of his. I have always suggested that these people be banned from the Arab countries, and I have always suggested that funds no longer go to Islam letalone any other religion but rather to the Arab countries themselves. It's just a matter of time before these people are removed from the Arab countries for good. Watch this political movement that took place in Qatar until the Qatari regime started to oppress it. Its goal was: Less authority for the ruling family; protection for oil workers; voting rights for citizens and the Arabization of the leadership.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_National_Unity_Front


"The Qatar National Unity Front (Arabic: أمام الوحدة قطر الوطني‎) was a nationalist labor group formed in Qatar in April 1963.[1] It was established in reaction to the murder of a protester in a Pan-Arabism demonstration by a member of the ruling family.[2] The movement's establishment took place during a period of popular dissent with the ruling family's extravagant lifestyles, and increasing support of Pan-Arabism.[3]

Protests against the ruling family started taking place in the first half of the 1950s. One of the largest protests took place in 1956; it drew 2,000 participants, most of whom were high-ranking Qataris allied with Arab nationalists and dissatisfied oil workers.[6] In a protest in August 1956, the participants waved Egyptian flags and chanted anti-colonialism slogans.[7] In October, protesters tried to sabotage oil pipelines in the Persian Gulf by destroying the pipelines with a bulldozer. Hamad Al Attiya, who went on to co-found the movement, was blamed by the British for spearheading the sabotage.[7]

More demonstrations broke out on 18 April. These were organized by Arab nationalists who supported their countries' union with the United Arab Republic. They chanted support for Abdel Nasser and expressed disdain towards Hussein of Jordan, Saud of Saudi Arabia and European colonialism.[8] Some demonstrators held up pictures of Arab leaders and banners supporting oil workers in the Shell Company. The emir confined the demonstrations to the areas encompassing Al Tahrir Stadium, Fereej Al Hitmi, Freij Al Khulaifat and east Old Airport.[9] Most of the demonstrations on this day took place at football games. The demonstrations ended prematurely after protesters traveling from Al Tahrir Stadium were barred from entering Doha Stadium.[9]"

Qatar today can become a democratic paradise and it could even become better than the Scandinavian countries combined (it has the highest GDP per capita in the world) but thanks to DICTATOR Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani (who is destroying the country with his theocracy) along with the Western powers who are sugarcoating the regime that is never possible and the country is instead becoming the opposite.


What is the link to Arab conspiracy towards Islam?



ths

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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2015, 11:00:38 PM »
Salaam Aouni,

I can understand and empathize with a lot of anti-Arab sentiment amongst non-Arab Muslims, particularly those who live in the Gulf countries. I feel it too, but don't generalize it to all Arab populations. I think the root cause of this is an enormous sense of being let-down. The Arabs of the Gulf are meant to be the protectors of the religion, and proclaim and pretend to be the most righteous defenders of true Islam, when they are amongst the furthest from it. And everyone who isn't a Salafi can sense that. They feel let down also by the enormous resource wealth of these countries that they hoard jealously, and with which they have done almost nothing positive for the wider Islamic community.

So for these reasons many Asian, African, Iranian, and Turkish Muslims harbour a deep resentment that turns into anti-Arab attitudes. And they are not able to distinguish between general racist attitudes and being politically opposed to the politics of certain countries.

You can see these attitudes on virtually any English-language Islamic forum or discussion group on the internet. And what disappoints me, is that I expected more from Free-Minds users because I think it requires a certain level of critical thought to reject the sects and renounce the hadiths and traditions of our forefathers. But it seems that I was mistaken and this forum is also infested like any other with non-Arab Muslims blaming Arabs for every bad thing that has happened in the last 1500 years, as if the religion developed in a vacuum called Arabia and their own communities were totally innocent. And in the same breath as they blame Arabs for the misery of the Islamic community and their countries, they repeat the Quranic injunctions that everyone is responsible for himself and no one is blamed for the sins of others. It's a pathetically weak sort of hypocrisy.


Either way, we've been derailed from the original topic of the thread about Maria the Copt and the Prophet's wives and slaves. Perhaps a mod can cut away all the comments on racism and put them into another thread so that the original conversation can continue.

Peace
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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2015, 12:05:06 AM »
All said, I still continue to find shocking that a signature so blatantly racist and manipulative of the Qur'an can be upheld forever. It portrays its holder but doesn't it also protray the forum. If there was no moderation, it wouldn't but since there is moderation, it does.

And it is not a matter that it would hinder freedom of expression, since in the posts anybody can express her or his mind, but in a signature it is indeed a statement of racism. As a poster suggested we might all start putting up signatures saying, for instance, "Jews are the wors in disbelief and hypocresy." I wonder how long it would take for the poster of that to receive a good lecture.

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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2015, 12:17:33 AM »
Peace Huruf,

A mod has woken up after several years and numerous reported comments and removed the signature. See here.
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Re: Re: Racism
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2015, 12:47:32 AM »
One can send a PM to ask instead of derailing topics. The matter was dealt with when it was reported, like other reports are dealt with. Want more information? Ask. Not satisfied? Ask. No one responding? Ask. Etc. Sending a message isn't anymore of a pain than posting on an unrelated topic. Even creating a relevant thread in an appropriate section, and if it hasn't been read by the concerned parties, to send a message with the link.
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