Recent Legalization of Homosexual Marriage in USA

[JavaLatte]

First of all, the Qur'an mentions something that has not been seen before. Obviously, homosexuality has a long history, so this pfrase has to mean something else. ?

Since Lut did not live at the same time when the Qur'an was revealed, then how do we know for sure that homosexuality ever done on the earth before the time of Lut?

[JavaLatte]

I think the fahisha in the story of Lot is quite simple.  God sends messengers to Lot.  The crowd wants these messengers for themselves, taking them away from Lot.

Since prophet Lut himself was a messenger at that time, then why they want to take the guests of Lut, why?

What for?  Why not they take Lut instead?

[FreedomStands]

Since Lut did not live at the same time when the Qur'an was revealed, then how do we know for sure that homosexuality ever done on the earth before the time of Lut?

Hard to ask illogical people to be logical, so instead, let em be gay! lol

[runninglikezebras]

@runninglikezebras,

A question was suddenly directed at you, in order to examine your opinion (from a quranic perspective)!

I would appreciate if you find an answer to my question (without resorting to fallacies).

SLM

As per 6:151: polytheism, disrespecting parents, infanticide, murder.

Peace

[runninglikezebras]

Since prophet Lut himself was a messenger at that time, then why they want to take the guests of Lut, why?

What for?  Why not they take Lut instead?

Quran doesn't tell us why the crowd was fascinated and drawn to the messengers.  More than likely they were special in some way or the other: eg appearance, speech etc.

Peace

[runninglikezebras]

Hard to ask illogical people to be logical, so instead, let em be gay! lol

Please point out where I'm being illogical. I'm illogical for not believing the story of Lot is about homosexual rape while there is not even a hint towards anything sexual in the quranic text?  You can disapprove of equal LBGT rights all you want, I don't even care about that part.  It's where you attribute such rules to God that angers me.

Just looking at animal and plant life should tell you a God did not design a world in which heterosexuality is the only format.  In nature we see androgyny, hermaphrodites, unisexualism etc etc...

I think the burden is upon you and others here to prove the story of Lot has even ONE word used in another occurrence related to sexuality.

Peace

[hicham9]

As per 6:151: polytheism, disrespecting parents, infanticide, murder.

This only proves my point.

You clearly have no f. idea what you're talking about!

Please, stop misinterpreting the Qurān to suit your personal desire/s.

[BornAgain]

Salaam,

My personal belief is that the *act* of homosexuality is not compatible with the Qur'an. Having homosexual tendency is not a sin, unless acted upon (which will be tough - most people are born with sexual urges).

Yes, some people are 'born' with homosexual preference, but that does not necessarily make it natural . Say, some have sexual fixation on animals, some are sexually attracted to prepubescent children - and that does not make it natural and acceptable.

Regarding homosexual 'marriage', I would much prefer that it is called 'civil union' and not marriage. I have to accept that homosexuality exists and I can do nothing to change it. They will still be having sex, whether or not they are legally married. What I just don't want to happen is, that with the legalisation of homosexual marriage, religious authorities (e.g. imams, priests, monks, etc) are forced to marry homosexuals against their will or they will be charged for discrimination.

Now that definition of 'marriage' has been altered, where will it stop? If all it takes is for people to love each other, then some may demand legalization for incestuous relationship, or paedophilic one. What makes homosexuality OK, but not incest or paedophilia? After all, it is about 'equal rights'.

That being said, I hold no hatred against homosexuals (as individuals). Ultimately people are responsible for their own action and God will be the judge. But people need to stop crying 'homophobia!' towards people who do not approve of homosexual marriage (I have my own belief, thank you very much). 

[runninglikezebras]

Salaam,

My personal belief is that the *act* of homosexuality is not compatible with the Qur'an. Having homosexual tendency is not a sin, unless acted upon (which will be tough - most people are born with sexual urges).

Yes, some people are 'born' with homosexual preference, but that does not necessarily make it natural . Say, some have sexual fixation on animals, some are sexually attracted to prepubescent children - and that does not make it natural and acceptable.

Regarding homosexual 'marriage', I would much prefer that it is called 'civil union' and not marriage. I have to accept that homosexuality exists and I can do nothing to change it. They will still be having sex, whether or not they are legally married. What I just don't want to happen is, that with the legalisation of homosexual marriage, religious authorities (e.g. imams, priests, monks, etc) are forced to marry homosexuals against their will or they will be charged for discrimination.

Now that definition of 'marriage' has been altered, where will it stop? If all it takes is for people to love each other, then some may demand legalization for incestuous relationship, or paedophilic one. What makes homosexuality OK, but not incest or paedophilia? After all, it is about 'equal rights'.

That being said, I hold no hatred against homosexuals (as individuals). Ultimately people are responsible for their own action and God will be the judge. But people need to stop crying 'homophobia!' towards people who do not approve of homosexual marriage (I have my own belief, thank you very much).

If promoting inequality and discrimination based on solely a sexual preference is part of your faith I will keep calling you people for what you are.  Oppressors.  The definition of marriage is not changed by homosexual marriage.  The meaning of marriage is still the same: a bond for life with a partner witnessed by God.

Incest and paedophelia are explicitly forbidden in Quran.  Homosexuality is not. 

Peace

[FreedomStands]

Please point out where I'm being illogical. I'm illogical for not believing the story of Lot is about homosexual rape while there is not even a hint towards anything sexual in the quranic text?  You can disapprove of equal LBGT rights all you want, I don't even care about that part.  It's where you attribute such rules to God that angers me.

Just looking at animal and plant life should tell you a God did not design a world in which heterosexuality is the only format.  In nature we see androgyny, hermaphrodites, unisexualism etc etc...

I think the burden is upon you and others here to prove the story of Lot has even ONE word used in another occurrence related to sexuality.

Peace

I WAS NOT CALLING YOU ILLOGICAL, I WAS SAYING ILLOGICAL PEOPLE, NOT YOU. For goodness sakes, I'm sick of being misunderstood constantly, its annoying as heck!

You are not to my knowledge a homosexual, nor are you illogical, and I wasn't saying that to you, I was saying illogical people, a specific category, not you.

I was talking about JavaLatte trying to talk to and explain to people but finding that "reasoning" with people is a practically pointless effort, and I was saying "let em be gay" meaning freedom for homosexuals. Then you popped up thinking I was calling you illogical! I wasn't!

My comments were about her logical statement "Since Lut did not live at the same time when the Qur'an was revealed, then how do we know for sure that homosexuality ever done on the earth before the time of Lut?"

That was logical thinking. That is all I was talking about.

"How do we know for sure homosexuality was ever done on Earth before the time of Lut" is just logical skepticism, I was approving of that but knowing that people don't even listen to sense like that.

It had nothing to do with calling you illogical or anything to do with you AT ALL. This is why its so frustrating that you pop out of nowhere taking offense when I wasn't even talking TO YOU or ABOUT YOU or anything even related to anything except that she made a logical statement and joking about how logic doesn't seem to apply to people much.

NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. So don't get offended. It didn't have anything to do with much at all pertaining to what you are saying and you were not even part of what I was talking about.