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To proof that the Last Prophet was born in the 3rd Century CE and plausible live through the early 4th Century CE, please read carefully below; Any comment is most welcome.

This story written by Ibn Hisham, who wrote a work on South Arabian antiquities - Kitab al-Tijan li ma'rifatimuluk alzaman - Book of Crowns in knowing kings of the age.

What we have here is a story from the South Arabian tradition, meant to explain the presence of the (genealogically) South Arabian Lakhmids in Iraq and al-Hirah. The story is traced back to the time of a generation before Shamir Yur'ish / Yuhar'ish, i.e., the first part of the third century CE, when Rabi?ah b. Nasr had a dream that alarmed him and that continued to disquiet him. Rabi'ah b. Nasr al-Lakhmi is the first figure in the royal genealogy, father of 'Amr, the father of Imru' al-Qays I. At the end of the story of the dream, the Lakhmids are made to migrate from Yemen to al-Hirah in order to escape the prophesied invasion of the Ethiopians, being allowed to settle at al-Hirah by the Persian King Ardashir. When Rabiah had this dream, he sent out enquiries among the people of his kingdom and gathered together in his presence every soothsayer, magician, drawer of omens from the flight of birds. Then he informed them, "I have had a dream which has alarmed me and caused me disquiet, so tell me its interpretation." They replied, "Recount it to us, so that we might inform you of its meaning." He replied, however, "If I recount it to you, I shall have no confidence that you will be able to tell me its correct interpretation; the only person who will know its correct interpretation is the one who already knows about the dream without my telling him." When Rabi'ah had said all this to them, one of the assembled group of experts on dreams said, "If the king requires this, then he should send for Satih and Shiqq, for there is no one more knowledgeable than these two, and they will certainly be able to tell you what you ask." Satih's (real) name was Rabi'ah b. Mas'-ud b. Mdzin b. Dhi'b b. 'Ad b. Mdzin b. Ghassdn, and because of his genealogical connections with Dhi'b he was called al-Dhi'bi. Shiqq was the son of Sa'b b. Yashkur b. Ruhm. b. Afrak b. Nadhir b. Qays b. 'Abqar b. Anmiir.
[Satih and Shiqq appear in Arabic lore as legendary personages and they have roles in pre-Islamic history as diviners: here for the Lakhmid Rabi'ah but also (anachronistically) for al-Nu'man b. al-Mundhir (IV) and Khusraw An-asharwdn in predicting the fall of the Persian kingdom and the triumph of the Arabs]. This was the event of Qardasiyyah!

When they told Rabi'ah that, he sent for the two men. Satih came to him before Shiqq; there were no soothsayers like them in their time. So when Satih arrived, the king summoned him and said, "O Satih, I have had a dream which has alarmed me and disquieted me, so tell me about it, for if you comprehend the dream correctly, you will know correctly its interpretation.  "Satih replied, "I will do this. You saw in your dream a skull [jumiumah - Abfija'far al-Tabaril says: I have found the rendering of it in other places as '. . . I saw blazing coals, humamah'-which came forth from the darkness-and fell upon the lowlands descending to the sea-and devoured there everything with a skull!"]The king said, "O Satih, you have got it exactly right; so what, in your opinion, is the interpretation of it?

The king said to Satih, "By your father! O Satih, this is indeed distressing and painful for us; but when will this take place, in my own time, or subsequently?" Satih replied, "Nay, indeed, a good while after it more than sixty or seventy years will elapse." The king said, "Will that dominion of theirs endure, or will it be cut short?" he answered, "Nay, it will be cut short after seventy odd years have gone by and then all of them there will be slain or will be expelled from it as fugitives." The king said, "Who, then, will assume that task of killing and expelling them?" Satih replied, "Iram of DhuYazan[Muslim lore identified Iram with the Biblical Aram, son of Shem and made various peoples of Arabia his descendants.] When the Qur'an, LXXXIX, 6, speaks of Iram, it is probably referring to a tribe or people, the Antiquities of South Arabia, who will come forth against them from Aden and ?not leave a single one of them in Yemen." The king enquired, "Will Iram's dominion there endure, or will it be cut short?" He replied, "It will indeed be cut short." The king said, "And who will cut it short?"
He replied, "A Prophet, a pure one, to whom the inspired revelation (al-wahy) will come from on high." The king asked, "Who will this prophet spring from?" He replied, "[He will be] a man from the progeny of Ishaq-his dominion over his people shall last until the end of time." The king said, "0 Satih, will time (al-dahr) have an end?" He replied, "Yes, a day on which the first generations and the last generations will be assembled, the righteous will be joyful on it but the evil doers shall be made wretched." The king said, "Is what you are informing us true, 0 Satih?" the latter replied, "Yes, by the redness of the dying sun at evening and the beginning of the darkness of nightand the dawn when it is complete-what I have told you is undoubtedly true. "

When Satih had finished, Shiqq arrived, so the king summoned him. He said, "O Shiqq, I have had a dream that has alarmed and disquieted me, so tell me about it, for if you comprehend the dream correctly, you will know correctly its interpretation," just as he had said to Satih. But he concealed from him what Satih had said in order that he might see whether the two interpretations agreed or differed. Shiqq said, "Yes, you saw a skull, which came forth from the darkness, and fell upon all the, land, meadows, and thickets and devoured everything there with living breath." When that king perceived that the words of the two soothsayers agreed with each other totally, he said to Shiqq, "0 Shiqq, you have got it exactly right, so what, in your opinion, is the interpretation of it?" Shiqq replied, "I swear by the men living between the two harrahs, THE BLACKS [Ethiopians] will certainly come down on your land and will seize custody of every tender one from your hands and will then rule over all the land from Abyan to Najran.? [Again implying the whole length of Yemen, since Najran lay on its north-eastern fringes.] The king exclaimed, "By your father! O Shiqq, this is indeed distressing and painful for us; but when will this take place, in my own time, or subsequently?" Shiqq answered, "Nay indeed, a stretch of time after you-then a mighty one, lofty of status, shall rescue you from it-and will make them taste the deepest abasement." The king said, "Who is this person mighty of status?"

Shiqq retorted, "A youth neither base nor inadequate for what he attempts, he will issue forth from the house of DhuYazan." The king said, "Will his dominion endure, or will it be cut short?" He replied, "Indeed, it will be ended by a Prophet who will be sent,who will come with right and justice among the people of religion and virtue. The dominion will remain among his people until the Day of Separation.One may ask, 'What is the Day of Separation? " -The reply is, the day on which those near to God will be recompensed invocations from the heavens will be made which both the quick and the dead shall hear and on which the people will be gathered together at the appointed place on which there will be salvation and blessings for those who fear God." The king said, "Is what you say true, O Shiqq?" The latter replied, "Yes, by the lord of heaven and earth and the highlands and the lowlands which lie between them, what I have communicated to you is indeed the truth, in which there is no dissimulation. "

When the king had finished questioning the two men, there came into his mind that what the two of them had told him regarding the invasion of the Ethiopians was really going to take place, so he fitted out his sons and other members of his house for the journey to Iraq, together with what they needed, and wrote on their behalf to one of the kings of Persia called Adashir, son of Khurrazdd, [Presumably the reference is to Shabur I, since his father Ardashir's mother was Khurrazad, who allowed them to settle at al-Hirah]. AI-Nu'man b. al-Mundhir, the king of al-Hirah, was a descendant of Rabi'ah b. Nasr; he is al-Nu'man b. al-Mundhir b. al-Nu'man b. al-Mundhir b. 'Amr b. 'Adi b. Rabi'ah b. Nasr, that same king in the genealogy and the lore of the scholars of Yemen . As noted above the dream described thus becomes an explanation for the movement of a South Arabian group like the Lakhmid family from Yemen to Iraq.

There related to us Ibn Hisham, who said: When Satih and Shiqq told that to Rabi'ah b. Nasr, and Rabi'ah did with regard to his sons and other members of his house what he in fact did, the mention of all this spread among the Arabs, and they talked about it extensively until his fame and his reputation for knowledge became widely disseminated among them. However, what the soothsayer said were not 100%. The only truth they said was that of the coming of the Last Prophet after the Greco-Roman / Ethiopian invasion. To establish these facts, I will outline the time and the people involved.


1.   Quranic and historical evidence proofs that the Quranic Last Prophet was NEVER an Arab as per the Quran ? 12:06; 29:27; not born in the 7th Century CE in Mecca; and no evidence what so ever of an Arab Prophet that exists in the 7th Century CE.  However, there was a Prophet who was born in the 3rd Century - 214 CE and claimed himself the Last of the Prophets and the Paraclete. If there is a migration of believe than that prophet was the true Quranic Last Prophet of ALLAH. He was known as Prophet Mani [P]. Ironically, the Quran was not traditionally written in the Arabic script. Quranic evidence ? 44:58; tells us that the Quran was sent to the Prophet in his tongue. As such, Prophet Mani [P] who spoke the Manichean language originating from Babylon, the Grand Quran was written in Manichean language.  These evidence proofs that ?Manichean? is the ?prestige dialect' of the Grand Quran. There is already an element of translation inherent in the Quran in which there are 7.

2.   The Sasanian King Ardashir, who ruled in 224 to 242 CE, shows clearly that Rabiah b, Nasr was his contemporary. History tells us that King Ardahir and his son, Shapur I [ruled from 242 to 272] was very staunch supporter of Prophet Mani. History also tells us that Rabiah b. Nasr?s grandson Amr b. Adi b. Rabiah b. Nasr who was the 1stLakhmid King and father of Imru AlQays, was also a staunch supporter of Prophet Mani. He also maintained close relation with the Persians and ruled before and after the time of King Ardashir. [source: Byzantine and the Arabs in the 4th Century Irfan Shahid and DeArabizing Arabia by Irfan Shahid and Saad Abulhab respectively]

3.   The Ethiopians occupied Yemen, and the events which had previously been talking about, including the interpretations of the two soothsayers, came to pass, and proofs that the royal titulature of the Ethiopian Negus in the 4th Century was along one that included the South Arabian titles of ?King of Himyar, Saba, Raydan and Salhen?, very similar to what Shammar Yuha?rish, who claimed the royal style as ?King of Sabaʾ and the Raydān and Hadhramaut. This composite title has been somewhat of a ?puzzle? and as such one of the explanations ? the most natural one ? can relate it to an Ethiopian victory over the Sabaeans of South Arabia, resulting in the acquisition by the victorious Negus of the titles of his vanquished adversary, the Sabaeans King. This was in the year 270 - 300 CE.[source: Byzantine and the Arabs in the 4th Century by authored Irfan Shahid]

4.   Shammar Yuha?rish, in AD 275, he led his troops to victory over Najran, Mareb and Hadhramaut. He succeeded in ?uniting? much of Yemen, assuming the title "King of Saba and Dhu Raydan and Hadhramaut and Yamnat". Khawarizmi, a prominient Muslim scholar who lived from 780 t0 850 CE, called him Shimr Yar?ish or Abu Karab Alifriqis, which could means he was of African origins considering the fact that he used the word ?Alifriqis?. This proofs that he was the Ethiopian Negus that conquered Yemen as predicted by the two soothsayers. [Source: DeArabizing Arabia by Saad Abulhab]

5.   The case of a joint Roman-Ethiopians expedition and possibly for an occupation of South Arabia, however short, may be supported by reference in the Byzantine sources relating to the reign of Constantine and his son Constantius, who sends an ecclesiastical mission to both Ethiopia and Himyar in a way that implies a relationship of some sort and what is more, suggests that the two countries were conceived by the autokratoras one region. Constantine edicts regulating the travel of his political agents to those parts, in which, he speaks of gentem Axumetarumet Homeritarum. The used of the singular, gentem, is significant; it implies that the two peoples were under one political domination![source: Byzantine and the Arabs in the 4th Century authored Irfan Shahid]

6.   Most importantly of these events that happened in the 3rd / 4th Century is validated by the Quran in Surah Arrum ? verses 2 to 4.

   
30:02 The Romans have won.
30:03 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated.
30:04 In several years. The decision before and after is for ALLAH, and on that day the believers will rejoice.



The Quranic evidence shows that the Romans who have won will be defeated in several years? later. Historical evidences show that on the Romans side, they lost much of their territory in the middle of the 4th Century. On the Persian side, it was the Century of Shapur II, who reigned from 326 ? 379 CE. Shabur II aggressiveness was irredentist and that set the two world powers in collision course. He considered the Diocletianic acquisition of the Mesopotamian and Trans-Tigrine provinces a rape. He was thus determine to recover the lost provinces. And it was not until the latter half of the Century and by the terms of the Peace of Jovian in 363 CE and of the settlement in 387 CE that the Persian considered the wrong has been righted.

These events proofs ALLAH promise the truth. It also proofs that the Traditional Islamic history is nothing but a lie against ALLAH and also to mankind!


The Quran in 06:116

And if you obey most of those in the earth, they will mislead you from the way of ALLAH. Indeed they follow except assumption, and indeed they except guessing.
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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2015, 07:26:06 PM »
Salam,

So I assumed, as there are no comments, agreed to, that the Quranic Last Prophet of ALLAH was Prophet Mani [P].

For those who don't, just a gentle reminder, how those people who change the character of Esa, an Israelite Prophet, who was born in the 4th Century BCE and make him, Jesus, a Jew, born in the 1st Century CE, were the same type of people who change the character of the Quranic Last Prophet of ALLAH, descended from the Family of Ya3qub, born in the 3rd Century CE, into an Arab Prophet, descended from Prophet Ismael and born in the 6th Century CE! Can you see the similarity?

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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2015, 09:16:00 PM »
The sectarian account that Quran says the prophet to be the last does not have to be true. It can be an erroneous interpretation of the root خ ت م and is as far as I am concerned.

As for your claim about "Prophet Mani" I can neither prove or refute what you say is right. However, the official "Islamic" history I can agree it is a blatant lie because the real interpretation of Quran speaks very differently from it.

That there emerged a culture and Arabic civilization in this false religion is undeniable though. It was likely propaganda from the 7th century based on above lie. The intent was to rally for war and conquest and Quran was abused for this purpose. One can just look at the interpretation of many passages and in particular chapter 9. "Disbelievers" are dirty and to be heavily suppressed and persecuted unless they perform the sectarian ritual called salat which in itself protects from sin (as if it is magical). It is very similar to when the Persian clergy went out in the Middle-East attempting to force people to convert to Zoroastrianism and likely including 'namaz'.

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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2015, 05:46:03 PM »
The sectarian account that Quran says the prophet to be the last does not have to be true. It can be an erroneous interpretation of the root خ ت م and is as far as I am concerned.

Just saying, no offence brother, How can an Arabic word can be an erroneous interpretation? If you are talking about Quranic verses, i agree with you of erroneous translation of the verses in the Quran, there are alot.


As for your claim about "Prophet Mani" I can neither prove or refute what you say is right. However, the official "Islamic" history I can agree it is a blatant lie because the real interpretation of Quran speaks very differently from it.

That there emerged a culture and Arabic civilization in this false religion is undeniable though. It was likely propaganda from the 7th century based on above lie. The intent was to rally for war and conquest and Quran was abused for this purpose. One can just look at the interpretation of many passages and in particular chapter 9. "Disbelievers" are dirty and to be heavily suppressed and persecuted unless they perform the sectarian ritual called salat which in itself protects from sin (as if it is magical). It is very similar to when the Persian clergy went out in the Middle-East attempting to force people to convert to Zoroastrianism and likely including 'namaz'.


Ibn Hisham was one of the most respected and trustworthy individual in antiquities. What he had researched about the true pre-Islamic Arabian lore cannot be left aside. Also what Muslim / Middle Eastern researchers like Taha Hussein, Fadel Arrubae, Irfan Shahid, Saad Abulhab and others, who had carried out intense research of ME antiquities cannot be taken as lightly.


Ibn al-Nadim in the account he gives concerning Prophet Mani in his Book Al-Fihrist:


One of Prophet Mani's first disciples, Salmaios, reported that his master had confided in him the following:

?...I was protected by the strength of the angels of light and the very mighty powers that were charged over Maryam, with watching over me. . . . Thus it was that from the fourth year until the moment when I reached the maturity of my body I was kept safe in the hands of the most holy angels and powers of holiness.?



very similar to the Quran 03:44


And that you were with them as they meet in their new environment. They were Maryam?s guardians. And that you were with them when they dispute.

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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2015, 06:27:21 PM »
According to Hegemonius' portrayal of Mani, the devil god which created the world was the Jewish Jehovah. Hegemonius reports that Mani said, "It is the Prince of Darkness who spoke with Moses, the Jews and their priests. Thus the Christians, the Jews, and the Pagans are involved in the same error when they worship this God. For he leads them astray in the lusts he taught them." He goes on to state: "Now, he who spoke with Moses, the Jews, and the priests he says is the archont of Darkness, and the Christians, Jews, and pagans (ethnic) are one and the same, as they revere the same god. For in his aspirations he seduces them, as he is not the god of truth. And so therefore all those who put their hope in the god who spoke with Moses and the prophets have (this in store for themselves, namely) to be bound with him, because they did not put their hope in the god of truth. For that one spoke with them (only) according to their own aspirations."

This is totally incompatible with the message of Quran.

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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2015, 08:49:20 PM »
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Just saying, no offence brother, How can an Arabic word can be an erroneous interpretation? If you are talking about Quranic verses, i agree with you of erroneous translation of the verses in the Quran, there are alot.

Do not ask me. I just study and observe Quran and it is what I discover. I find it weird that oftentimes when deciphering Quran, the meaning of the words are the most odd and never used definitions of ancient lexicons. It is as if there were some total amateurs some time upon history who just came up with meanings to fit some dull sectarian doctrine into the context.

What Quran speaks of beneath that ancient amateurish interpretation is almost an entirely different scripture and I was not surprised as I found it awkward with GOD's hateful and disdainful demeanor in the traditional one. It was verging on unrighteousness for GOD I am sorry to say. Such thoughts about GOD made me start looking for that was not what I expected of the most powerful and intelligent consciousness in existence and it showed that my suspicions were not unfounded. I know it may sound absurd, but that is how it is.

It is not surprising because the traditional interpretation is very worldly and with values often inherent in men and with a god upon a throne and with glory in proving faith in warfare and with a cynical view of women.

There is a lot to be done and I am still only on chapter two in my reinterpretation and translation work, but a different story emerges without me being dishonest to what the author intended with the words. It is simply that the interpreter seems unskilled at what he was doing or did not care what he did but his doctrine was what was important. I think that the truthful account will eventually speak for itself and that people will in general accept my reinterpretation even if there will always be people who become opponents and with their stubbornness causing them to be blind even if the truth is right before their eyes. The first will be denial and mockery and I have already seen it, then some will see that it is actually a true account while others will reject it even if they subconsciously accept it.

My project is with a full documentation on every step of the reinterpretation work. Many will accept if I can show it is deciphered with a scientific approach methodically.

I am still curious what Quran is going to say later on in the scripture as some early parts of it were insightful readings. It is so that the context is more coherent and the adhesion between segments improves tremendously in the true account and not seeming to jump between contexts as in the traditional conjecture.

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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2015, 06:54:24 AM »
According to Hegemonius' portrayal of Mani, the devil god which created the world was the Jewish Jehovah. Hegemonius reports that Mani said, "It is the Prince of Darkness who spoke with Moses, the Jews and their priests. Thus the Christians, the Jews, and the Pagans are involved in the same error when they worship this God. For he leads them astray in the lusts he taught them." He goes on to state: "Now, he who spoke with Moses, the Jews, and the priests he says is the archont of Darkness, and the Christians, Jews, and pagans (ethnic) are one and the same, as they revere the same god. For in his aspirations he seduces them, as he is not the god of truth. And so therefore all those who put their hope in the god who spoke with Moses and the prophets have (this in store for themselves, namely) to be bound with him, because they did not put their hope in the god of truth. For that one spoke with them (only) according to their own aspirations."

This is totally incompatible with the message of Quran.

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All you wrote are nothing but conjectures of untruth against the Prophet. How can it be when the Prophet Mani harshly criticized the various religious communities of his time for, in his view, imperfectly preserving and thus distorting the revelations delivered by their founders.

There are clear similarities between Prophet Mani and Quranic Muhammad, 

1) Prophet Mani like, Quranic Muhammad, claimed that his Prophethood was revealed to him by
an angel which he met twice.

2) Prophet Mani like, Quranic Muhammad, claimed to be the successor and a sequence
of Prophets including Noah, Abraham, Musa, and Esa.

3) Prophet Mani like, Quranic Muhammad, claimed to be the Seal of the Prophet.

4) Prophet Mani like, Quranic Muhammad, claimed that he was given 7 copies [7 translated copies] and the Original.

5) Prophet Mani like, Quranic Muhammad, not an Arab.

6) Prophet Mani like, Quranic Muhammad, migrated to another land as he was not accepted by the people.

7) Prophet Mani like, Quranic Muhammad, his teaching was spread by preaching Monotheism.

8) Quranic evidence proves that the Quran was sent down between the 3rd and 4th Century CE.

And there is no doubt that the prophet Mani was the recipient of the Quran - he had to be for the religion to flourish for so long. It lasted for over one thousand years in one form or another. Only fragments of the Book with regards to so called "Manichaen" have remain, while his followers in Europe were killed and persecuted for centuries. Why?

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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2015, 07:07:24 AM »
I agree Hegemonius portrayal may be biassed.  Hard to find out with so little original source material remaining.

It's possible he was a prophet.  It's equally possible he was a madman.  The world view of manichaeism does not seem to fit the Quranic perspective though.  Atlas supporting the eight worlds? The King of Darkness, being a zoroastrian supreme evil being etc.

I also would like to see evidence that supports Quran was sent down between the 3rd and 4th Century CE.  Do you have Quran that old the world is unaware of?

The similiraties you quote:

1-4: anyone can make such claims
5: that makes him non-arab, I don't see how that identifies Mani as Muhammad
6: many people migrated in history
7: spreading monotheism wasn't exclusive to muhammad either
8: I'd like to see that Quran from 3rd-4th century

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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2015, 09:58:44 AM »
I have my doubts Quran was originally written in another language.

Verily I cannot prove it, but my feeling is that the script used for Quran was designed for it. Quran is very formal and the grammar is extremely logical.

In the regard of Quran written in the 4rd or 5th century AD I find quite likely actually. The Arabic script was invented in one of those centuries, and the interpreters who wrote hadith and ran havoc on the interpretation of Quran in the 7th and 8th centuries had no clue as to what they were doing. They could not interpret it satisfactorily, or they lied. Hadith has no relationship to Quran's topic.

The writer of Quran was likely familiar with Aramaic in the above case. During the time it was still a little of a standard.

Arabic is very clear and easy to read compared to Aramaic.

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Re: THE SEARCH FOR THE QURANIC LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH HAS ENDED
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2015, 10:04:24 AM »
Peace MOF,

Yes, It looks many of Hadith stories were invented only to match with their wrong interpretation of Quranic verses.