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Proof that Prophet was celibate

Started by harris, April 13, 2015, 12:55:49 PM

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harris

Salaam.

Hadiths teach that the Prophet of Islam was a man who had a dozen wives while living a very active sexual life. But when one examines history, it can be proved logically that the Prophet would have lived a life of celibacy after the death of his beloved wife Khadija.

Looking for rational proof?

1. The Prophet lived most of his life in a monogamous relationship. It seems highly illogical that a man who was in complete peace living only with one woman from the age of 25-50years (his wife was 15 years his senior) , would suddenly become desirous of having multiple sex partners during his senior years. When he was legally entitled to have more than one wife, why did he not pursue that direction earlier in life?

2. None of the Prophet's wives ever became pregnant after marriage to him. Think about it! Is that not an unbelievable situation if the Prophet was indeed having normal marital relationships with them? There can be no question of impotence or sterility on the Prophet's part; his children by Khadija were proof of that. No question either of barrenness on the part of the other wives, since all except Aisha had children by previous husbands. How then did ALL his wives consistently remain childless throughout their marriages with the Prophet?

Thus the only explanation that can be deduced is that the multiply married Prophet remained celibate after the death of his beloved Khadijah. He married women who had no other support in society so as to provide them financial assistance and a secure home, taking care of those who had no other way to take care of themselves; he also agreed to marriages that would help solidify political bonds in order to strengthen the infant Islamic community.




There is but one another rumour of the Prophet's son 'Ibrahim' who was born to him through his 'concubine'- Mariya the Copt, an Egyptian slave whom Muhammad had freed and kept for himself (other sources say she was a gift from the Egyptian ruler, Al-Muqawqis). There are hadiths which try to explain the following story about Mariya:

It was claimed that the Prophet betrayed his own wives when he slept with his concubine Maria in the house of Hafsah on the day he was supposed to be with her. Hafsah became angry and asked:

?in my home, on my bed, during my day??

The Messenger then said that he would never approach Maria again if it would make Hafsah happy and swore an oath that he would never touch Maria again. That is when the Quranic revelation came:

Qur'an 66:1-2?O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise.

Even if this story were to be true, it only shows that the Prophet definitely took oaths of celibacy atleast from one of his partners. On the other hand, one can argue that the Prophet who lived a life of celibacy, fell in love once again much later in life with Mariya the Copt (who was supposedly very beautiful) and became desirous of her to the horror of his other wives. It was their jealousies that lead to Prophet denying himself the love he felt for this women, which was chastised in the Quranic verse.

In either case, since the child of Mariya 'Ibrahim' died at seventeen months old, and it remains unclear if the baby and the relationship itself ever actually existed, in a culture in which sons were considered a sign of their fathers? virility, the whole story could have just been a kind of legendary assurance of the Prophet?s honor.

Too many centuries have passed by to know anything for certain. But one thing is- The Prophet did not marry Ayesha before puberty because he had 'worldly motives'.

As the Orientalist scholar W Montgomery Watt wrote: "Of all the world's great men, none has been so much maligned as Muhammad."

Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?

huruf

In fact it is indeed surprising that he did not have any children after Khadija died. And it is a fact bcause the Qur'an certifies it that he did have a plurality of wives, whether merely legal or more than that.

Salaam


Man of Faith

Salaam,

I am inclined to say Quran does not affirm plurality of wives which is not an interpretation error. I am currently working on this phenomenon though since a year or two back in time without reaching a condition of validation of evidence to present it so that it will silence critics, but linguistic signs show an inconsistency in that the prophet would have had multiple wives.

An optimal male prophet would have his wife and if she died beforehand then he would focus on his mission rather than go looking for new marriage prospects. And it is definitely not in a realized prophet's interest to hoard wives. Besides, according to old faith lore a man and woman should cleave unto each other and become as one body. That old lore is incompatible with polygamy.

Salaam
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mubashir55

I tend to agree with Haris. The blessed Messenger may have married other women but not to bed them; If he had, he would have had many more children.

I have been raising the same point in response to those who accuse the blessed Messenger of being a [God forbid] womanizer.

Story of Maria and a son from her comes from secondary sectarian sources and we all know what kind of material we are dealing with. The good, the bad and the ugly all mixed up!

huruf

I would never consider that even if he had had children from his other wives he was a womanizer. Poligamy, specially of the important men has been a common thing amonst most societies, legally or parallegally, because in most instances it was also, even if no condoned sacrmentally by the church at least not deligitimized and it may have been for reasons other than womanizing, like political questions, peace, alliances, offspring even, etc. And while womanizing might have been a privilege for some, for others it may have been a burden, which they assumed because of their condition so much the men as the women. So, as far as I am concerned, nothing to blame the Prophet.

But the thing with the offspring is indeed weird, and bearing that in mind it may indeed have been a moral stance, a social solidarity deed as well as a show. We know, or we think we know, that the prophet did not have children from these women, but that I know, it is not said that the women themselves did not have any children before marrying him, so it may have been also an example for other able men to marry women with children in order to give them more able families.

If it was so, so much the Prophet as the women were very commendable, not because have sexual relations would have been a bad thing, but because of taking a stand based on more spiritual and social principles. On that count it may be significant that the Qur'an decrees that the wives of the prophet are the mothers of the believers. An honorary title may be but one that sets them as a sign for moral and spiritual excellence, particularly if we bear in mind that the prophet is denied as father of the believers.

Those who strive sekking contradictions in the Qur'an they do have one there, because the Qur'an denies that people be called or known for others than their real father and mother, but it does however itself set the prophet's wives as mothers of the believers.

Salaam   

huruf

Also the Maryam the Egyptian story is deniable on the grounds that the prophet is clearly ordered in the Qur'an no to marry any new woman nor exchange any of those he has after that, so they have made Maryam into a concubine, which obviously is tricking. Something that ay not have shocked certain people, but that is indeed tricking.

Salaam

harris

Salaam,

Thank you everyone for the thought provoking answers..

Since the Holy Quran itself has given the wives of the Prophet the title "Mothers of the believers", this may be another proof of them neither having 'normal' marital relations with him nor children of their own. Their role as Mothers of the Believers would have been to solely dedicate their lives to supporting the Prophet in his mission and nothing else. For those of them who wished to live a normal marital life, they were reminded by God that the only way to pursue those wants would be to divorce the Prophet. 

O prophet, say to your wives, "If you are seeking this life and its vanities, then let me compensate you and allow you to go amicably. (33.28)

Peace.
Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?

huruf

Quote from: harris on May 17, 2015, 04:12:57 AM
Salaam,

Thank you everyone for the thought provoking answers..

Since the Holy Quran itself has given the wives of the Prophet the title "Mothers of the believers", this may be another proof of them neither having 'normal' marital relations with him nor children of their own. Their role as Mothers of the Believers would have been to solely dedicate their lives to supporting the Prophet in his mission and nothing else. For those of them who wished to live a normal marital life, they were reminded by God that the only way to pursue those wants would be to divorce the Prophet. 

O prophet, say to your wives, "If you are seeking this life and its vanities, then let me compensate you and allow you to go amicably. (33.28)

Peace.

That is right. The whole thing about the wives of the Prophet seems enveloped in a "mystical" kind of condition and you are right that the title "mothers of the believers" is a very loaded term. God does not speak for nothing. And again He says: you ar enot like any other women, in a sense as a prophet is not like any other man. He has a mission tu fulfill. So in turn, the wives of the prophet are "azwaj" of him, partners, twin souls, and they are so from a public stance and not a private stance (into which we should not have to intrude).

Recalling 4.3, it is indeed striking how much ink and bandwidth has been spent on poligamy and alike and how little we have lookd for the Prophet's example, while at the same time so many muslims have been taking in in imitating the prophet in senseless things while not seeing the obvious. We indeed have managed to bury the Qur'an under all fantasies that entice people while not seeing what it tells us plainly.

Good eye, harris,

Salaam

Reee

By the way, it recently struck me that the words for 2, 3, and 4 in 4:3 are the same as with the "wings of the angels" in 35:1, and in a special form that does not appear elsewhere in the Quran (for 3 and 4) resp. only one other time (for 2). So there might be some connection. I don't know if this has already been examined by anyone. And the "wings" in 35:1 in turn are the same word as the shelter in 17:24, 15:88 and 26:21. So that might point at the meaning of shelter in 4:3 as well.
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Paradise Aspirer

Well written article Harris.  Very thought provoking.  But I wonder if its a sin even if prophet was not celibate.  The proofs that you gave are not really sufficient to prove that prophet was really celibate. He married many women and we cannot claim something we really are unaware! Does this really matter?

harris

Quote from: Paradise Aspirer on June 01, 2015, 06:31:45 AM
Well written article Harris.  Very thought provoking.  But I wonder if its a sin even if prophet was not celibate.  The proofs that you gave are not really sufficient to prove that prophet was really celibate. He married many women and we cannot claim something we really are unaware! Does this really matter?

Salaam,

Does this really matter?
For the believer who is convinced about his path, nothing else really matters. But then, when living in a modern world where majority of the people are convinced that Islam is a stone-age religion initiated by barbarians, where Muslims are constantly subjected to ignorant, confusing messages from within the community itself (Ayesha being 8 years old during marriage), it is helpful to know about the history behind the religion and the man who received visions from the Creator of the Universe.

The Prophet "married" many women, but not having children with even one of the later wives is indeed a question mark. Was he practicing birth-control (against the message of the Quran)? Was he impotent? (then how about his daughter with Khadija?)

Regarding we being unaware about the truth, well, one can argue that even the source of the Quran or the virgin birth of Christ cannot be proved. By objectively researching whatever clues we do have available, we can reach conclusions that make sense. If Prophet was indeed chosen by God, then his primary concern in life would only be a duty to God. His life would be very simple, with minimal needs.

  • Adam was paired only with one woman during Creation.
  • Abraham married many since God promised that his seeds were to initiate the community of believers on Earth.
  • Jesus married none, because his life was dedicated to his message alone.
Similar is the case of all messengers. Muhammad never lived like a king. He would not be marrying almost a dozen women (without having any children) only for satisfying his sexual needs, if he were following this long line of holy messengers. He especially could not be having physical relations with so many women while advising his followers to only marry up to 4 women with strict conditions. That kind of message would be hypocrisy. Of course most Muslims don't have an issue with this double-stance coz they've been accepting it as truth their whole lives.

Thus to be a Muslim who holds his Prophet in high regard, one needs to accept the proof that is available and reach valid conclusions.

Peace.


Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?

Man of Faith

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Thus to be a Muslim who holds his Prophet in high regard, one needs to accept the proof that is available and reach valid conclusions.

Why not change that prophet into plural. The message he came with is important and to be worldly is not part of it.

Be well
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