Edip yuksel agrees HAJJ does NOT mean pilgrimage, he says "debate"

[Nonmushrik]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HhFLOWqzCFE

Peace. I highly recommend this classic edip video refuting sufi polytheist hamza yusuf.

From about 54 mins, it seems as though edip still believes in ritual praying, he says now hajj is "debate" which was pleasing to hear. The word challenge for hajj seems more fitting, let's not go into another discourse.

The sunni polytheists believe zakat is 2.5% religious tax. Edip now claims zakat to be something based around supplying goods and services to the people, seems the same.

Zakat means purity, salat is not praying, allegiance seems more correct for the in depth understanding, edip acknowledges support so that's good, though ritual praying remains.

No need for sunnis or edips deviated understanding, I hope edip abandons this pagan mindset.

I wonder, does he still face a big black cubed structure in arabia called kaba? Can any Muslim do this? No, only a polytheist claiming to be Muslim.

I hope edip replies, peace.

[Wakas]

I used to think "al hajj" meant "the debate/conference" (albeit I acknowledged other things were going on) but here is my updated article:

al HaJJ ~ the homage/commemoration

http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html

[Man of Faith]

I consider the root to be Ha-Waw-Jim in Lane's and that its connotation is (divine) service, to put aside one's own interests for a greater cause, and that is not necessarily pilgrimage in my opinion but charity work or spreading the true perception of the faith like helping people open their eyes.

That is my current interpretation.

Salaam

[Wakas]

I consider the root to be Ha-Waw-Jim in Lane's

Are you of the school that one can make up the root as one wishes or there has to be an actual methodology that can be checked/verified?

[FreedomStands]

Are you of the school that one can make up the root as one wishes or there has to be an actual methodology that can be checked/verified?

lol

[Man of Faith]

No, but roots with similar letters are also very similar in meaning. The word I suggested has not any particularly different meaning than حج. As for those who made up meanings, they have already caused the damage.

[kamenriderkiki]

If hajj is debate, then why do we need to shave our heads for just a debate???

[Man of Faith]

The root appears to imply strong intention to accomplish something together with probably related roots.

Haa-Jiim-Jiim = to intend to a certain target, aim at, repair, undertake, repaired/betook himself to or towards a person / place / object of veneration/respect/honour, went/visit frequently/repeatedly, pilgrimage.
Overcome another by/in argument/evidences/proofs/testimonies, plead, contend/argue/dispute.
Refrain/abstain.

I would consider the word to do to commitment work, much like voluntary work, but it depends on the word form. In its raw form it would merely imply "firm intention/undertaking".

The root may be related to this one as well:

Ha-Waw-Jiim (Ha-Alif-Jim) = To desire, be in want of, need, require, to find it necessary to do or that one should do a thing, to seek or seek after, to be poor or in poverty (out of want or need), to lead one or oneself aside, forsake one's own way, incline to a person.

Words may find relationship to roots that contain similar letters (due to the nature of the language family):

Ha-Jiim-Ba = something which hinders/prevents/precludes/conceals/covers/protects/intervenes, hid, seclude, to veil/conceal/cover/hide a thing, intervene between two things.

Ha-Jiim-Ra = To deprive from, harden, hide, resist, forbid, prevent, hinder, prohibit access (to a place). To prevent/hinder/debar/withhold/restrain from a person or thing, prohibit/forbid/inhibit/interdict, to make boundary or enclose a thing, burn a mark around the eye of a camel or beast, to surround, make a thing unlawful or unallowable to a person, to be emboldened or encouraged, to slaughter by cutting the throat. hajar - a rock/stone or mass of rock.

Ha-Jiim-Zay = To withhold, make a camel lie down, stop, restrain, prevent. To prevent/hinder/impede/withhold/restrain/debar a person or thing, to conceal, to intervene, to make or form a separation/partition/fence/barrier, make an obstacle or obstruction between two people, to separate or part two people or two things, wrap or tie a thing around one's waist, defend oneself with a thing.

Ha-Jiim-(Jiim) means "be firm onward on something" (very basic form from which the other ones are derived) Ha-Jiim-Ra means "hard" basically, and Ha-Jiim-Ba means to "something that prevents/hinders or intervenes by firmness" and Ha-Jiim-Zay restrain it firmly (bondage). All these presented roots are interrelated linguistically.

Conclusion: Ancient lexicons contain the proper definitions right before the very eyes of people but they go for other ones and usually listen to their ignorant scholars.

Be safe
Amenuel

[amin]

People want peace and blessings and this practice of pilgrimage, for centuries has given them this. Now even though this is hijacked by more empty rituals.

If God is seen as common goodness provider, then Hajj(pilgrimage, not restricted to one place) will become a great idea/practice to dee-stress and gain blessings from our creator.

[kamenriderkiki]

Still wondering why we need to shave our heads for just a debate....