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Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« on: March 22, 2015, 01:11:03 AM »
Salam

Taken from the Answering Christianity with some edition...

"Ahmed", was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Messenger to be foretold by Prophet Esa with this very Name, Ahmed:

"And when Esa the Son of Mary said, O children of Israel, verily I am the Messenger of ALLAH sent unto you ALL, confirming of what is in between, support it of  the Taurat and bringing good tidings of a MESSENGER who shall come after me, and whose name shall be Ahmed. And when he produced unto them evident miracles, they said, this is manifest sorcery.  (The Noble Quran, 61:6)"

Prophet Easiah aka Esa in the Quran here has shed the light on the Prophecy of the coming Ahmed.  So Ahmed was prophesied before the Last Prophet Muhammad.

This film was also taken from this Youtube Channel -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtEpM9BqvQI&list=UU0xmLTeRaWCchgl0hRNGthQ&index=5&feature=plcp

As the author of the video said, look at the Aramaic alphabets in the Wikipedia link given, below.  See how Hhet and Tav are written.  They look very similar.  See also how the Dalet and Khaf are written, and how they're similar.  Now create your own "AHMAD" and "ETMAK" from these alphabets.  Now, compare the two words, and see how similar they look.  Compare the two words with the DSS by ignoring the vowels and accent ending.  Which word look similar?  Now read the whole chapter of Esaiah 42.  And even if the DSS was not tampered with, was it written wrongly as the letters are very similar?  The error could have gone back even before the DSS was written.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_alphabet
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html

Manuscript
http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qum-35.htm
http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:3

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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2015, 02:10:22 AM »
Salaam Hizbullah,

About the name of the Messiah.

Isaiah is another person who wrote the prophecies about the Messiah and he is not the Messiah.

And there is a linguistic/phonological error in the pronunciation of his name. عيسى is supposed to be pronounced more like Jesa than Isa, or even Jesua.

The person in the Biblical Gospels is he.

Regarding 'Muhammad' I am a bit divided. I need more intel. I do not know him, due to all the dirt they have thrown at (the interpretation of) Quran.

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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2015, 02:32:34 AM »
Salam MOF,

I have got a feeling you will be the first to reply.... :)

Well, considering the fact that prophet Esaiah predicted the coming of a messenger by the name of Ahmad [btw, have you seen the video?] in which it is also mentioned in the Quran where Prophet Esa said, which is very similar, you cannot say that Prophet Esaiah is not the Quranic Esa. It is too explicit. And besides that the Quran says in chronological order in 04:163


Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Tribes and Esa and Job and Jonah and Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Section of the Book...


As you can see that after Esa came Job. So in between Esa and Job was the Messenger Ahmad as mentioned in the Quran 03:81 and cross referencing with 33:07


And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [Allah] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."


And [mention, O Muhammad], when We took from the prophets their covenant and from you and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus, the son of Mary; and We took from them a solemn covenant.


Where the verses tells us that after the administration of the prophets mentioned in 33:07, there will come a messenger. So in Esa's case the messenger that comes after him was Ahmad.


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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2015, 02:52:29 AM »
The person called عيسى in Quran is the individual who causes a circus in the Biblical Gospels, no matter when it happened. But as it appears it needs to have happened about 2000 years ago to make the puzzle fit into place, but I have considered whether it occurs 200-300 years earlier than traditional sources. The was the Messiah.

However, I think that the events took place at an entirely different location than what sources say, like the most of the Biblical elder texts which the majority happen in today's Iraq (Mesopotamia).

IsaiAH (similar semitic spelling as عيسى but not the same) is another prophet than Jesua. It is a person who wrote prophecies about the coming of the Messiah or rather I find his writing just a bunch of parables which are hard to interpret. They are clearly riddles. Isaiah prophesied more than only about the Messiah but also other prophets.

Quran is a prophecy in itself. We need to learn to understand what it says beneath all that dirt before we know Muhammad.

Quran also contains riddles. The so-called initials are actually a riddle and a hint as a help to interpret the text.

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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2015, 09:36:38 AM »
No, stop with your heterodox nonsense. Prophet Isa in the Quran is Jesus, his mother was Mary.

Isaiah is also a prophet, but he is not Jesus and is not mentioned in the Quran. The chapter you are referring to is chapter 42, it was not written by Isaiah, the chapters written by the historical Isaiah included from the first chapter to the 39th chapter: All the rest a subsequent corruptions written by frauds and never by Isaiah. 

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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2015, 09:42:09 AM »
Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Tribes and Esa and Job and Jonah and Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Section of the Book...


As you can see that after Esa came Job. So in between Esa and Job was the Messenger Ahmad as mentioned in the Quran 03:81 and cross referencing with 33:07
Wrong, the listing of names are in random order, as you can see, Solomon is mentioned before David.

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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2015, 10:37:25 AM »
Quran does not have to mention people in chronological order just because they are mentioned in it. If it does not say it mentions something in chronological order then you should not take it for granted.

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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2015, 12:25:57 PM »
Maryam, in the Qur'an is daughter of 3imraan and sister of Harun. That is clear and unambiguously stated.

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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2015, 12:57:49 PM »
Maryam, in the Qur'an is daughter of 3imraan and sister of Harun. That is clear and unambiguously stated.

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Both these explanations have a support from a ḥadīth of Prophet Muḥammad. The Christians of Najran during the time of the Prophet raised a similar objection and it was answered by the Prophet. In Ṣaḥiḥ Muslim, a ḥadīth related by Mughirah ibn Shu?bah [5326] says:

Mughira b. Shu?ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun" in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them."

This Hadith is reliable because why would Christians fabricate a Hadith contrasting their viewpoints and give in support to the Muslims?

It's obviously historical. Jesus in the New Testament is likewise called for the Son of David, but even those knew that Jesus is not son of David.

Elsewhere, concerning the alleged contradiction of the two Marys, Stowasser, quoting Ibn Kathir, and says:

This controversy is as old as the Muslim-Christian dialogue. The Prophet is said to have refuted similar arguments made by the Christians of Najran during his lifetime; "to confuse Mary the mother of Jesus with Mary the sister of Moses and Aaron in Torah is completely wrong and in contradiction to the sound Hadith and the Qur'anic text as we have established it in the Tafsir" (Isma'il ibn Umar Abu l-Fida Ibn Kathir, Qisas al-anbiya', ed. Mustafa Abd al-Wahid, vol. II [Dar al-kutub al-haditha, 1968] pp. 393-394;

"O sister of Aaron" is simply an epithet, likewise is "Wife of Imram" to Mary. Try not to read literally and see things as allegories, also if it truly was true what you said, Quran made the greatest mistake that nullifies its infallibility. 

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Re: Prophet Esaiah of the Bible was the Quranic Esa
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2015, 01:04:48 PM »
No, nowhere in the Qur'an is somebody called the brother of somebody else as an epithet. That is just an atempt to make the Qur'an follow the Bible, just like in the events of the Jaanna, where the bible states things absolutely alien to the Qur'an.

The Qur'an states clearly that the wife of imran is Maryam's mother and that the wife os imran is the wife of imran. It is ridiculous to say that somebody who is the wife of somebody is an honorary title. If that exists, then the place where it exists is not certainly the Qur'an. The Qur'an does not use that kind of epithets. Just imagination from the biblefollowers attempting to divert the Qur'an to make it conform to the bible.

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