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Christmas Special - True Nature of Christ Revealed in the Holy Quran!

Started by harris, December 23, 2014, 10:52:36 AM

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harris

Peace to all bros n sisters,

As part of the Christmas season, here's something that I wanted to bring out: The nature of Christ

I have always been perturbed as to the nature of Christ. Not because I am influenced by the Trinitarian concept of Christians, but because of the truths revealed by the Holy Quran that we are expected to believe:

1) Why did God provide the Only virgin birth in the history of mankind to Christ? No human being has been born in such a way and there is no reason at all for this to happen. What was the need for this miracle? Why are believers supposed to suspend logic? The believer will reason that it was a proof of his messengership, proving that God can do anything. But being born of a virgin can never stand the test of proof and will only be ridiculed by disbelievers as the fairy tales of an immoral woman and her son. So what did God achieve with this unnatural birth?

2) Why does God inform us that the likeness of Christ is the same as that of Adam? As proof of their similarity, even the 25 number of times both are mentioned is exactly the same!

3) Why did God raise Christ back to heaven? Every human being dies and becomes dust. Why not Christ? What was special about him that his body had to be raised?

4) Why was Christ able to do miracles that were much greater than any other Prophet? He spoke from the cradle, breath life into birds made of clay and even raised dead people!



Thus the following facts come into picture:
1) If Christ was born of a virgin, it shows that his nature "requires" that he not be born of the seed of man.
2) If Christ is like Adam, he too would have to be created in Paradise, before being born on Earth, similar to Adam with neither father nor mother. We know Adam was sent to Earth from Paradise.
3) If Christ was raised back to heaven, it shows that he would not be judged on the Judgement Day.
4) If Christ spoke from the cradle, it shows that age was not of concern for his learning and wisdom. He already had the wisdom required about God and his own mission on Earth.


These facts lead us to conclude that Christ could not have been a mere human whose life began 2000 years back, but was a being created in Paradise just as Adam was created by God Almighty. Similar conclusions have been reached by some Christian groups such as Jehovah's Witness (who do not support the trinitarian view) too. They all point to him being Michael, the Archangel.

Proofs?
Many of you may not believe in the Bible itself, but there are verses in the Bible where Christ quotes:
1) that he lived much before Abraham (the very reason for the false conclusion by Christians that he is god incarnate)
2) that he will send another who is similar to him after he is gone (he sent Gabriel with the Quran to Muhammad)



Bible also says
1) Christ is a begotten son of God (not to be understood in the blasphemous way the Christians understand it.. but the meaning makes sense if you consider that Adam too was begotten (initiated). Both Michael and Adam were directly created by God Himself. Thus both can be said to be first 'sons' of God, before we began life as sons too.)
2) Baptise in the name of God, Christ and Spirit (we see a similar verse in the Quran itself!)

Don't believe? Define the meaning of this verse:

Anyone who opposes God, and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael, should know that God opposes the disbelievers.
(Holy Quran- 2:98)


Why does God seperate Gabriel and Michael from other angels? Why are they specificaly mentioned? Ever wondered?
Answer - Because they are not like other angels but of different nature.
Gabriel is the Holy Spirit (26:193) through whom all life is created.
Michael is the Archangel who fights the forces of Satan.



Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :sun:

In the end, our worship is to GOD Almighty Alone. The Creator and Master of All. None is worthy of worship except Him.

Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?

GODsubmitter

God has no Religion!

God is running everything.

Peace begins with me.

Jafar

And What's the True Nature of John The Baptist?

Born from an old maid.. his birth is a greater miracle than merely virgin birth..
Virgin birth is hardly a miracle nowadays.. it can be done... yet old maid birth is still impossible..

Wakas

peace,

not so fast...


Re: 1)
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604715.msg314725#msg314725

Re: 3)
read posts in this thread
http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=325

Re: 4)
subjective, and somewhat contested "miracles". Some might say The Quran is an everlasting miracle, thus greater.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

harris

Quote from: Jafar on December 23, 2014, 02:05:23 PM
And What's the True Nature of John The Baptist?

Born from an old maid.. his birth is a greater miracle than merely virgin birth..
Virgin birth is hardly a miracle nowadays.. it can be done... yet old maid birth is still impossible..



Impossible? Old women are giving birth regularly nowadays...  :laugh:
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-oldest-mothers-to-give-birth/


I still draw attention to this curious verse...
Anyone who opposes God, and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael, should know that God opposes the disbelievers.
(Holy Quran- 2:98)


Is it a coincidence that this verse even remotely resembles the below diagram?



The verse proves that GOD works through His
1) Holy Spirit (Gabriel)
2) Archangel (Michael/ Jesus)
3) Angels
4) Prophets (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Mohammed- one for every nation)


Peace.
Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?

drfazl


Quote from: harris on December 23, 2014, 10:52:36 AM
Peace to all bros n sisters,

1) Why did God provide the Only virgin birth in the history of mankind to Christ? No human being has been born in such a way and there is no reason at all for this to happen. What was the need for this miracle? Why are believers supposed to suspend logic? The believer will reason that it was a proof of his messengership, proving that God can do anything. But being born of a virgin can never stand the test of proof and will only be ridiculed by disbelievers as the fairy tales of an immoral woman and her son. So what did God achieve with this unnatural birth?

It is not for a miracle show, but shown as a clear sign of His wisdom and of His innumerable ways of each of His creations. And there is no change whatsoever in His creations of His wisdom; it is a sign for us to be well aware of that when Allah intends a thing all He has to say to it is 'Be' and it is. What is to be ridiculed is infertility and sterility on the rise globally under the aegis and the downtrodden knowledge of the advanced medial science and its ever increasing faculties. Allah creates from nothingness and cures infertility and sterility as happened in Zachariah family. It is time we believed in Allah and enjoy a family with as many children as possible even if you are single; Allah will show His Sign to each and every one of us. It has not happened in the case of Isa alone, but happened in the case of Yahya and probably with Ismail and Ishaq. If you are believers then be responsive to this ayat:

57.29  So that the followers of the Book may know that they shall not gain anything from the grace of Allah, and that grace is in Allah's hand, He gives it to whom He pleases; and Allah is the God of mighty grace.

Quote2) Why does God inform us that the likeness of Christ is the same as that of Adam? As proof of their similarity, even the 25 number of times both are mentioned is exactly the same!

45.31  ....What! were not My ayats repeatedly recited to you? But you were proud and you were a guilty people.

Quote3) Why did God raise Christ back to heaven? Every human being dies and becomes dust. Why not Christ? What was special about him that his body had to be raised?

Isa was not raised to heaven but has been raised as the foremost as most witnesses in Allah's path were raised. And Isa was not the only one raised thus: 40:28 And a believing man of Firaun's people who hid his faith said: What! will you slay a man because he says: My God is Allah, and indeed he has brought to you clear arguments from your God? 40:45  So Allah protected him from the evils they plotted, and the people of Pharaoh were enveloped by the worst of punishments -

Quote4) Why was Christ able to do miracles that were much greater than any other Prophet? He spoke from the cradle, breath life into birds made of clay and even raised dead people![/b]

Every messenger sent to every nation brought with them from Allah, the Signs of cure from diseases and poverty as a proof that they shall not commit shirk in these matters, in the least. And every messenger was sent with unique signs which the other messengers did not do.

6.42  We have sent messengers already unto peoples that were before you, and We seized them with diseases and adversities, in order that they might grow humble.

Isa is not any different from other messengers is what we should abide by by the dictum of Allah.

Quran reading is useless unless we decisively stick to righteousness in our lives, at least to an extent possible. Based on such status Allah Guides, in such a way  [url="http://foolproofcure.net/index.aspx"]http://foolproofcure.net/index.aspx[/url]   that we do not transgress after receiving His Mercy.

muftisofti

I believe quoting from the watchtower reveals where this comes from and it certainly isn't the Bible or the Qu'ran.

I believe when Jesus was born of a virgin He fulfilled prophecy from Isaiah. It also meant that he became the firstborn of all creation.

I believe Jesus may be like Adam in some ways but He is definitely not the same and I know of no evidence that Adam came from Paradise or Jesus either for that matter.

There is ample evidence that Jesus claimed to be God.
Su 64:11  No kind of calamity can occur, except by the leave of Allah: and if any one believes in Allah, Allah guides his heart aright: for Allah knows all things.

harris

Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?